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Matt - aquatec

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Rural Opportunity
« on: September 03, 2011, 02:32:28 pm »
Hi All

Has anyone had experience or built a business just on rural jobs, what I mean by this is stand alone farmhouses etc...

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and experiences...

Cheers

Matt
Loving the freedom and enjoying the hard work......
www.aquatecwindows.co.uk

david watts

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 03:20:17 pm »
got the odd days like this;tbh i like my round like that;
just price up so you get a wage
life is like a box of chocolates you get the crap no one else wants

Scoop

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2011, 09:33:03 pm »
This is actually a really good point for discussion. Rural work is more spaced out and often further to get to and hence less popular.

We could start by looking at the trades that have a call-out charge. If you phone a plumber, an electrician, even a taxi then they will make a charge to come out to you. But a WC with a call-out charge is pretty rare.

The problem is how the general public perceives different trades. In the old days the village probably had one WC and one milkman who covered a few villages. Now lots of people are gunning for the work so instead of getting 30 houses in a village it can sometimes be only one. This one customer can often end up costing more in time and fuel than the value of the job.

I recently spoke to a rural WC who said that he couldn't even contemplate earning more than £100 a day, and that was a good day. On the other hand none of his customers would entertain a cheaper quote from a new WC. When I asked him if he could put his prices up he said "Definitely, but I don't want to."

I suppose the ultimate question is what price do we put on 'van time'? Van time is the time you spend in the van driving to the next customer. You're using fuel and rubber and you're not earning. Should you be paid for that? And if not, then why should plumbers etc be paid for theirs?

Being a tradesman/tradeswoman now is probably more highly competitive than it has ever been. When recession bites it is well known that a lot of people turn to the most convenient solution to make a living and that is on top of the fact that WFP has made WC a far more attractive option to outsiders looking for a career. But I maintain that all work has a value and if someone is out in the sticks then they should expect to pay a premium. In other words I wouldn't reduce my margin to service a customer and then take the money from the closely spaced customers. By all means do rural but make sure it isn't costing you to do it.

As for me I'm a wheelie bin cleaner. I spin your bin for £2.50. But I'm in a town that is surrounded by villages. In fact the population of the villages within a ten mile radius is greater than that of the town. If a village calls me it's £20 for up to 5 miles or £30 for up to 10 miles (but I will also clean two bins for that price if they're both empty). Why so expensive? Because by the time I've driven out there, had a chat with the proud bin owner, cleaned the bin and come back I could have cleaned 10 bins in town. Take it or leave it.

It's amazing how many take it  ;)
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

Tom White

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2011, 09:41:45 pm »
This is actually a really good point for discussion. Rural work is more spaced out and often further to get to and hence less popular.


I'm not sure if it is 'less popular'.  I know some window cleaners who actively target this sort of work, and I've got a large amount of it myself.  You can price it well, the customers are normally wealthy types, and it's rare you find a problem customer.


simonr

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2011, 09:49:42 pm »
lot of my rounds like that mate & they're my highest priced houses as the people who can afford to live in those places dont think twice about 20 -30 quid a pop but cos they're away from it all quite a few are 2mth as the dont get very dirty, estates are bread n butter but when you canvas & get a few out of town they can be good money, farmers are also fairly good about paying a price but you need spare wellies with you  also in snow or frost i cant get to a lot of them

g newton

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2011, 10:13:30 pm »
Hi All

Has anyone had experience or built a business just on rural jobs, what I mean by this is stand alone farmhouses etc...

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and experiences...

Cheers

Matt

some banjo playing inbred eying up your arse when your shimmiying up your ladder
not for me

mlscontractcleaner

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2011, 10:17:34 pm »
Don't knock it til you've tried it mate; it's amazing how much extra work you can gain just by slipping on a nice tight pair of hotpants and climbing seductively up a ladder for the country folk to enjoy.




Or maybe that's just me ;D
Come and talk dirty to us!!!

g newton

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 10:24:16 pm »
thats now got me searching for my old deliverance video

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 10:47:34 pm »
Hi All

Has anyone had experience or built a business just on rural jobs, what I mean by this is stand alone farmhouses etc...

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and experiences...

Cheers

Matt

Most of my work is like this now. This is the type of work which I have targeted & grown over the last few years. Four or five jobs at £40 a pop or all day moving from one house to the next?

There are some real big properties around the sticks, usually hidden away from road-side view. I dropped on one last year, a nice mansion with seven lodge houses. It's only a few miles from my home & I never knew it was even there. I'd seen the lodges ofcourse but didn't realise they all belonged to one house! Farm houses too, I do a load of these & farmers tend to know one another so word of mouth pays well here for me.

Most of these type of properties will have wealthy occupants. They aren't 4 weekly jobbies though, usually 2 or 3 monthly.

I do smaller house too of course but even the majority of these are quite rural.

I live rural myself so I suppose that helps but I also prefer to work in rural surroundings & the plus side is that I find this type of work pays best in my experience. ;)


Scoop

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 10:56:47 pm »
thats now got me searching for my old deliverance video

"Sure has got a pretty mouth"  ;D

We seem to have strayed off topic here lads and you know all this talk of climbing ladders in hotpants will only have you reaching for your blood pressure pills.

Tosh is right. Among certain professionals the rural sector is highly prized with good jobs making good money. But that is precisely the point I'm making. If the rewards are in proportion with the extra distance and time then go for it. But too often people take on loss-making jobs in the middle of nowhere and then subsidise them with their profitable work. I'm just sounding a note of caution. So many people forget than the cost of doing a job a mile from home isn't the same as the cost of doing one ten miles from home and then driving ten miles back to town.  
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

Scoop

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 11:39:08 pm »
£30  for 10 mile radius to clean your bin.its cheaper to get a new one of the council,£25 last time i had one nicked
Respect Stan. I'd choose that solution every time if it were me.

Unfortunately (or fortunately for me) the local council has wised up to this and are now delivering whatever bins they have in their park. These are usually old bins that have been recovered from vacated council properties (the ones where they took the gas fire, the boiler and the doors when they left).

So now Mrs De Posh has her bin nicked (very rare occurence, more usually they split), and they replace it with one that used to belong to a less than caring former council tenant.

I see bins that would make maggots throw up. I certainly don't begrudge myself the right to charge what I see fit to clean them. And it works both ways - was once offered a hundred pounds to clean a bin but did it for five pounds.
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

dazmond

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 12:07:51 am »
i have a few days here and there thats bigger stand alone accounts.makes a change from the slog of cheap 3 bed semi estate work.cashflow is not as good as my bread and butter work as a lot pay on the day or collect at the end of the week on estate work where as the rural accounts nearly all pay by cheque via SAE or online banking.i do earn more some days cleaning 6 or 7 a day than more compact stuff though.ive got a good mix.

i also have clumps of half days here and there of good paying 4-5 bedders,a few commercial and converted barns,blocks of flats.a good variety.

i do target more of the stand alone bigger accounts well priced on 8 weekly these days though.could do with a few more bigger jobs on 12 weekly at very good prices then i would have a near perfect round!! :D :D ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

G Griffin

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 12:18:01 am »
And it works both ways - was once offered a hundred pounds to clean a bin but did it for five pounds.

Who by? Noel Edmonds?
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the bfg

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 07:44:01 am »
I do a lot of rural work and love it,   you never get stuck in traffic and its all priced well cos I priced it.

lots of large houses and if your into wildlife like me then its heaven.

was out in the sticks last Friday all day and only did 6 jobs but a 40 mile round trip resulted in £235 worth of work and I was still home in time to see the Simpsons  :D

g newton

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 08:18:45 am »
if your going down that route how about the country pubs

the bfg

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 08:24:15 am »
if your going down that route how about the country pubs













in lots of cases now its what country pubs ?      some of the places I do have NONE     I did see one manager cleaning his own windows one day and asked him if he wanted a quote,   his reply was I cant mate as we just dont have a budget for w/c so I have to do them myself.

Matt - aquatec

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2011, 08:34:07 am »
What about rural caravan parks, both with live in statics and also holiday vans????

Experiences please...
Loving the freedom and enjoying the hard work......
www.aquatecwindows.co.uk

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2011, 09:00:19 am »
There are loads of guys on here who travel 30 or 40 miles for commercial work,.. if your rural work is in a 10 mile radius & you plan your route well then I don't see how its any  different. I've loads of rural work, but I just price the jobs so I'm making the same hourly rate (plus a bit extra for fuel).

I actually prefer rural work,.. if I'm in one estate for more than a couple of hours I get really bored, but the day seems to go a lot faster when I'm working out in the countryside!

bobby p

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2011, 09:06:56 am »
i have 1 and a 1/2 days every 5 weeks out in a village and its where i first started my round.but its taken me 3 long years to get a full day of variety work out there,lots of country boy cleaners  trail round these villages. i was lucky that i got a toehold there when i first started ,as  a cleaner had got arrested and later was jailed so he lost out

give me work in town any day , FAR easier all round  

Re: Rural Opportunity
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2011, 09:14:26 am »
The problem seems to be that people try to price up the same as in town which can't work.

Priced correctly it works well. They are usually priced at my 'one-off' or by appointment rate.