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vivaro 013

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gutter vac at 50 foot New
« on: July 16, 2011, 12:30:44 pm »
hi
do gutter vac for cleaning gutters go upto the working hieght of 50ft

Scoop

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 01:27:33 pm »
Theoretically a gutter vac can go as high as a) the operator can control it and b) the poles can stand the strain.

Assuming the average 5ft aluminium pole section weighs about 1 kg then a 50 ft reach would be 10kg which is easily liftable by most fit people.

But this applies when the pole is completely vertical. As soon as it starts to lean the operator is faced with a new force which is a turning moment. He compensates for this by pulling with his upper hand and pushing with his lower hand. The more the pole leans, the greater the force he must apply. Holding a 50ft (15m) pole horizontally would put huge strain on any operator, not to mention the obvious deflection (bend) in the pole itself.

Personally I would not use alu poles above 35ft, but I perceive that to be my own limitation. Some people do go up to 50 and even 60 ft. If you are intent on doing this then I would suggest practising with the pole in a place where you can't do any damage to yourself, others or property, gradually adding sections until you lose your 'comfort zone'. This will help to tell you how high you can safely go. I would also suggest that anyone poling above 35ft should have an assistant who can move the vac, help the operator and generally be there so the operator can keep full concentration on the task of cleaning. The operator will also get tired very quickly so either frequent rests or relays between two operators.

Another solution is a lighter pole. I've seen carbon fibre gutter poles advertised which are maybe 1/3 of the weigh of aluminium. Very expensive but you can charge a premium for high work so it might be worth it. Up to you to decide.

Other considerations are loss of suction with a 50ft pole so you'll need a good vac, no wind at all so you'll need a nice day and how tricky it is to guide the nozzle into the gutter and then move it along at such a great height.

Final word if you're still reading. The one thing every gutter cleaner fears is a dynamic pole. A dynamic pole is one that the operator has lost control of and is now hurtling towards the ground, just seconds from its own destruction and the destruction of the Aston Martin beneath it or worse still the Aston Martin and the owner of the Aston Martin. I've never seen it happen and I pray that I never do. But gutter cleaning carries a huge responsibilty so please make sure you are in total control at all times. There's no shame in looking at a job and then saying, "Sorry, I can't do it".  :)
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 03:52:32 pm »
Top class post Scoop !  8)

I would not attempt or let anyone gutter vac on their own over 30 ft - it is a 2 man job from 'launching' the pole upto the gutter and receiving it on return to it requiring 2 people to move about safely.

you can attach a support pole but we have found this makes the whole operation unweildly.


Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Dave Willis

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 05:40:02 pm »
I vac at 50 feet with carbon poles normally on my own. I choose a weekend when no cars are near the property and on near windless days (normally early in the morning). I don't find it too difficult but when you get to the corner of a building it would be so easy to overshoot the end of the gutter and loose control. Provided I can rest the pole on the gutter I'm normally fairly happy. The hard bit starts when you bring the pole down caked in sludge when it weighs an awful lot more than when it went up.
Make sure you are insured for the job in hand (property being worked on).

Wc Solutions

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 05:47:32 pm »
id personally say no more than 35ft for a vac.

above that i would use a cherry pickers type lift

Scoop

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 01:16:30 am »
Top class post Scoop !  8)

Thanks Darran  8) I think we learn something new every day with gutter cleaning - I certainly do. Interested in 'launching' the pole. I see what you mean, but above 20ft I always get vertical and then lift the pole and add the sections one by one. Takes a bit longer but then I'm always by myself. Coming back down is the reverse process.

Hydro - total respect  8) I'd love to see your setup and I'm guessing it wasn't cheap. I'm always careful on the corners as an overshoot with 30 ft alu pole is easy to lose too. I usually prefer to stop at the corner then come down and reposition. Can't imagine how much strength and concentration you must need working at 50ft. Out of interest, how hard is it to switch the vac off while your holding the pole? I'm talking about when you hit a lump of something that is stuck to the nozzle and you have to either bring the pole down or switch the vac off and let it fall. If I'm at 30ft and hitting lumps every 2ft there is no way I am bringing the pole down each time so I switch the vac off. But careful balancing act between finding the vac switch and keeping hold of the pole  ??? Slugde is a real problem I know. But I find it's not as bad if you spray the tubes with silicon spray lubricant. This makes it much harder for sludge to stick and is a big help (£4.99, yellow and black can from B&Q etc). I also agree with insurance. We've all got PL insurance which pays out up to £2 million if we bing Mrs Bloggs on the head with a pole. And how much does it pay out if we kill ourselves? Just let me check the policy. Ah yes, here it is, apparently it's BUGGER ALL  ;)

Wc Sols - I agree to a large extent. Above 35ft why should anyone risk their neck cleaning gutters with a pole (apart from Hydro who has invested in the right kit). My idea of happy gutter cleaning is the two I did yesterday - 15ft - 60 mins - 40 quid - no backache.

Now if I can just get to six of those a day instead of two ....

 
Don't wish it were easier. Wish that you were better - Jim Rohn

Smudger

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 09:51:47 am »
As the larger jobs are 2 man we found it better 2 assemble first rather than balance and build.
the main operator is the swivel point while the other 'throws/pushes' the nozzel into the air - this allows the
other operator to carry the momentum and get the pole upright ( very quickly and without stress or strain )

it also allows quicker working for when the hose is blocked as we dont turn off the vac just catch clear and return.

Darran

Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Frankybadboy

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 10:00:57 am »
id personally say no more than 35ft for a vac.

above that i would use a cherry pickers type lift
thats funny martin,you aint brought a vac yet ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nick Day

Re: gutter vac
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2011, 04:33:48 pm »
Hello,

Here are couple of tips that might help.
More than four poles, I fully assemble, put the bottom of the pole against a wall (connected to the hose, it won't hurt it) then go to the vacuum head end, lift it above your head and walk to the wall lifting the pole, hand over hand as you go. Bring it down the same way, this is very easy for one man to do. Sludge, always take a couple of tubs of water and a bucket with you, as soon as the sludge starts to build up, suck a bucket of water through, it clears the hose and poles instantly.
Regards lumps causing blockages. Our poles and heads have really helped to cut this problem down. But very dry hard moss lumps and dry pine needles can still cause headaches. We developed our weedhook, and this is incredibly effective against any heavy build up of whatever kind. We just set up, no vacuum to make it easier, and just walk along lifting and flicking all the heavy stuff out. We then connect up the vacuum and quickly vac the rest.

JSMC

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 07:55:59 pm »
Hello,

Here are couple of tips that might help.
More than four poles, I fully assemble, put the bottom of the pole against a wall (connected to the hose, it won't hurt it) then go to the vacuum head end, lift it above your head and walk to the wall lifting the pole, hand over hand as you go. Bring it down the same way, this is very easy for one man to do. Sludge, always take a couple of tubs of water and a bucket with you, as soon as the sludge starts to build up, suck a bucket of water through, it clears the hose and poles instantly.
Regards lumps causing blockages. Our poles and heads have really helped to cut this problem down. But very dry hard moss lumps and dry pine needles can still cause headaches. We developed our weedhook, and this is incredibly effective against any heavy build up of whatever kind. We just set up, no vacuum to make it easier, and just walk along lifting and flicking all the heavy stuff out. We then connect up the vacuum and quickly vac the rest.


any pics of weedhook

Wc Solutions

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Re: gutter vac
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 07:57:38 pm »
id personally say no more than 35ft for a vac.

above that i would use a cherry pickers type lift
thats funny martin,you aint brought a vac yet ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

but ive used one before tho!

vivaro 013

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Re: gutter vac at 50 foot New
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 09:33:20 pm »
does anybody no of any companies in the north east which are doing gutters cleaning  at 50 foot high
need a qoute of them. no access for cherry picker