[Alex Gardiner]

If someone does Alex, can't they have the new xtreme pole as a prize   

If someone could identify all 6 factories by name and address, I would give them a job as 'Director of Product Sourcing' 

[thermoclean]

The ionics clamps look like Copies of the gardiners  
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From gardeners does that mean gardeners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex?

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

Elite clamps are over twice the size of the gardiners, that means that they are at least twice as big as they need to be.  Also if halfway thru some work and the clamp need adjusting you don't need a tool to adjust the slx.

It will be interesting to see how the elite evolves though. It's nice that there are a lot more carbon poles at good price points.

Simon.

[Alex Gardiner]

The ionics clamps look like Copies of the Gardiners  
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From Gardiners does that mean Gardiners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex?

Must be late, I'm not sure what you mean by the above  

I'm signing off now - sleep well.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

The ionics clamps look like Copies of the gardiners  
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From gardeners does that mean gardeners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex?

There's already been a post by an "elite" user who stated that the clamps do indeed need adjustment.

Dude, if you choose to use inferior equipment that's fine, but hey, give yourself a break!

[PureClean Window Cleaning Ltd]

I actually need a 45ft pole now, and the elites are £540!

gutted i only quoted £450 for the job now!

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I actually need a 45ft pole now, and the elites are £540!

gutted i only quoted £450 for the job now!

There's a guy selling a 40ft Smax over on- m a t t s c l e a n i n g f o r u m s-  if that would be any good?

[Roy Harding]

They look good.

Roy

[Alex Allen]

What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!!  

Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both  

I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries.  

As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?

We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.

Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from   These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).

Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.

quote blue frog systems from the sill brush thread
"Finally i would like to point out gardiners don't slate the competition"

Thats hilarious gardiners are the worse for it, there always on the froum posting
i dont see other suppliers postimng that often if at all

in this post he knocks ionic and the water fed pole company (elite poles) directly and through suggestion and at the same time he's continually praising himself

this forum has been hijacked, with good reason sell a pole for £400 to 25 forum members and thats £10,000 reasons to knock the competition

forums should be independant, the recent wfp test with the gardiner pole and the elite pole was recommended to be re-tested. by gardiners of all people and the test was done again, unbelievable no impartiality at all

why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.

[Lee GLS]

Alex, Alex gardiner is stating facts in his post, he was the first manufacturer to use the lateral clamp, and then everyone else is using them, hes not slating ionics of wfp co, he does post on here, but in reply to his products, when it comes to people wanting more information on products, price, release dates, he emails them directly.

its good that a supplier is actually on these forum to answer questions, i dont see anyone from teckbuk (apart from you and you 100% biased opinion) giving information on there products. the chap that sells the elite poles comes on here to give information, just like the people who make the digital flow controllers has started coming on here to answer peoples questions.

You are so anti gardiners its embarrassing.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!!  

Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both  

I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries.  

As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?

We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.

Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from   These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).

Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.

quote blue frog systems from the sill brush thread
"Finally i would like to point out gardiners don't slate the competition"

Thats hilarious gardiners are the worse for it, there always on the froum posting
i dont see other suppliers postimng that often if at all

in this post he knocks ionic and the water fed pole company (elite poles) directly and through suggestion and at the same time he's continually praising himself

this forum has been hijacked, with good reason sell a pole for £400 to 25 forum members and thats £10,000 reasons to knock the competition

forums should be independant, the recent wfp test with the gardiner pole and the elite pole was recommended to be re-tested. by gardiners of all people and the test was done again, unbelievable no impartiality at all

why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.

You say that the slx xtreme ability to not function as a true telescopic has not been mentioned, if you hadn't noticed I posted a review and a video mentioning that point. Gardiners are even shipping an updated 4th section to their existing 25 ft xtreme customers that helps resolve this issue, something that will obviously cost them money.

Here are the links just in case you hasn't seen them.

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=125202.0

http://youtu.be/uB39sYzR8Xk

Simon.

[CLEANCARE WC]

Alex is a bitter player hater end of.

[Dave Willis]

I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.

[Alex Allen]

Alex, Alex gardiner is stating facts in his post, he was the first manufacturer to use the lateral clamp, and then everyone else is using them, hes not slating ionics of wfp co, he does post on here, but in reply to his products, when it comes to people wanting more information on products, price, release dates, he emails them directly.

its good that a supplier is actually on these forum to answer questions, i dont see anyone from teckbuk (apart from you and you 100% biased opinion) giving information on there products. the chap that sells the elite poles comes on here to give information, just like the people who make the digital flow controllers has started coming on here to answer peoples questions.

You are so anti gardiners its embarrassing.

whats embarrasing is falling for everything he says

its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born

if you can't tell the difference between viral marketing, sales pitch, patent and a design patent you are vulnerable to believe anything, by the way the other part of the 'clamp' is called the collar, thats been around for years as well  :

[Alex Allen]

I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.

not sure what you are talking about trolling
how can i do damage to gardiners
i say what i want you keep buying his equipment, so what
the only plonkers are those that believe what a supplier says all the time
you must be one of them
if you can't see the elite for example is not that different from the slx
other than the fact it better made and cheaper
maybe you just feel a prat for falling for gardiners sales pitches on the forum all the time
try thinking for yourself, for a change
or go and buy another protecta ball 

[Dave Willis]

  What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.

[Lee GLS]

its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born

Ok then, show me some applications that use this same type of clamp that has been around for over 30 years!

[Alex Gardiner]

its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born

Ok then, show me some applications that use this same type of clamp that has been around for over 30 years!

Hi Lee, cam levers have actually been used for many years on lots of different applications - Bike clamps, tripod leg clamps etc.

What was innovative, with the SLX lateral clamp that we introduced, was the pivoting barrel nut that also incorporates a lock nut mechanism. This allowed us to make a compact fingertip-adjustable lateral clamp that had not previously been available anywhere. The Elite poles (as one retailer calls them) do not use this, but stick with a more conventional sideways clamp device.

In my opinion innovation, not replication, will always be the way forward 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.

not sure what you are talking about trolling
how can i do damage to gardiners
i say what i want you keep buying his equipment, so what
the only plonkers are those that believe what a supplier says all the time
you must be one of them
if you can't see the elite for example is not that different from the slx
other than the fact it better made and cheaper
maybe you just feel a prat for falling for gardiners sales pitches on the forum all the time
try thinking for yourself, for a change
or go and buy another protecta ball 

I have an "Alex Gardiner" poster on my bedroom wall, I also have a spare one, which I'll send you if you like- email me biasedandgullable@plonker.com 

[Nathanael Jones]

why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.

I thought this was common knowledge? Its worth noting that Jeff B's "Ninja" pole works on the same principle,.. yet you choose only to attack Gardiners?