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rob thomas

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trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« on: May 25, 2011, 07:47:52 am »
Why are SOME wfps on here obsessed with trads and how much they dislike them?
I do both and it doesnt bother me what any one else does as long as I make a decent wage!!!!!!





Except for frankie and his leaflets!!!!!!!!!!

G Griffin

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 07:57:36 am »
Maybe trad and wfp users don`t like there being an alternative method to the one they use. As someone has mentioned, it could just be an insecurity thing.
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LWC

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 08:16:50 am »
Everyone knows wfp is better than trad

dazmond

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 08:29:02 am »
ive got no problem with trad as i do both as well.

im mainly wfp because of ease of use,safety,speed and the fact i can clean windows that would be near impossible(and dangerous)to be attempted with ladders.

im roughly 80% WFP/20%TRAD.

I enjoy trad more now as it breaks up the routine!

there are some crappy trad cleaners that ive picked up work from lately and i will continue to do so but its not just because of having wfp.

its because i have a professional approach to my customers and my attitude is right.

a uniform,sign written van and business cards all help as well but ultimately its doing a good job and being tried and trusted that makes a good window cleaner.

regards


dazmond
price higher/work harder!

Pope vader

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 08:30:38 am »
i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of tradders slag off wfp saying it is no good and doesnt clean properly, so when a wfp gets a new custy some of them hate it straight away

plus a lot of wfp turn up looking proffessional sign written vans, uniforms, etc, when a tradder might and all the tradders near me are the same  turn up in a rust bucket of a car, ladders on top, with towel tied to it to dry, looking like any normal person in the street,  if they didnt have a set of ladders with them then you wouldnt know they where window cleaners,


Nathanael Jones

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 12:24:37 pm »
I only have problems with the tradders who don't comply with WAHR and blatantly refuse to see its relevance to them.
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poleman

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 12:32:28 pm »
my view is...why use a tool of the trade (ladder) that is slower, not so safe, and not earn you twice as much...really is a no brainier...WFP rules, end off...

Erithwc

Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 12:35:41 pm »
im sure i was quicker with a ladder than wfp but the wfp is safer and it is still early days yet.

trad cleaning is easy compared to wfp as least using a ladder you dont have to charge your trolley battery, fill barrels, load your motor with the trolley, pole ect >:( >:( >:(    oh crap wheres my ladder i give up wfp is driving me crazy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

S

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 12:47:45 pm »
im sure i was quicker with a ladder than wfp but the wfp is safer and it is still early days yet.

trad cleaning is easy compared to wfp as least using a ladder you dont have to charge your trolley battery, fill barrels, load your motor with the trolley, pole ect >:( >:( >:(    oh crap wheres my ladder i give up wfp is driving me crazy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That lot does not take 5 mins. Anyway, WFP is a lot quicker, so you make up any time lost. The only real problem in the freezing up in the winter for me. That is a real pain in the arse. I have been using WFP fpr 5 years, I would not call that early days.

Erithwc

Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 12:57:57 pm »
im sure i was quicker with a ladder than wfp but the wfp is safer and it is still early days yet.

trad cleaning is easy compared to wfp as least using a ladder you dont have to charge your trolley battery, fill barrels, load your motor with the trolley, pole ect >:( >:( >:(    oh crap wheres my ladder i give up wfp is driving me crazy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That lot does not take 5 mins. Anyway, WFP is a lot quicker, so you make up any time lost. The only real problem in the freezing up in the winter for me. That is a real pain in the arse. I have been using WFP fpr 5 years, I would not call that early days.

trust me it takes me longer than 5mins i live on the seventh floor in a block of flats their are two lifts but it still takes longer than 5mins  ;D ;D ;D

cozy

Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 02:13:46 pm »
I reckon WFP has it's chalenges because some custies don't seem to realize that it does a better job of frames. Some custies think if a window is left wet, it's not finished. Another poblem could be that some custies feel they are being ripped off if WFP is done too fast in their opinion. They like to see some poor git sweat for his pound.

These things, could in turn, make some WFP guys think most of these chalenges would disappear if everyone was WFP. So for WFP guys, it's in their interest if all windies use it.

Then we have the other side of the coin. If you look at how windies are percieved by the public, you only have to watch Corrie, with the halfwit on a rikshaw with a 6 rung wooden tour ladder and a sponge. The only people upset with that image are us lot!!!

It makes me laugh (Sometimes) how snobbery could develop among windies who all do the same (At best) semi skilled work.

I've been in this game for a few years now, and I've done allsorts of work. Cradle, cherry picker and rope work. Buildings with thousends of meters of glass, and of course domestic, but in all of the time I've worked, I don't think I've ever seen windies discussing using one of those stupid housewife Kärcher vacuum handheld window cleaning tools. This in itself proves that any skill that was involved in this trade is vanishing fast.

WFP means that anyone can buy a system for a few grand and within a month at the most, be good enough to earn a crust. When asked to clean insides, most tradders or ex-tradders can do this. Guys who are WFP from day one will have real problems, so have to look a "cleaning ady" sollutions like Kärcher.

We are all windies, and we all earn our living off cleaning windows. We need to stop "Bigging" ourselves up and trying to impress eachother with what tools we use. I read on here that some tradders run around in tracky bottoms and chav caps, drive rusty cars and look a right state. That might be the case in some places, but to paint all tradders like that smacks of stupidity. WFP doesn't make people more clever. You just need to read the posts of some of the WFPers on here! Look at Matt Bateman, he has A levels in stupidity and he uses WFP all the time. ;D

It's not really that bad on here with WFP verses Trad, but you guys need to see the other part of this forum!! The carpet cleaners get snotty and slag eachother off about who uses a van mount or a portable!! ???

Use what you think is best I'd say. ;)

Avo

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 02:21:54 pm »
i think its a time thing!!!  they do get more for there money but due to the speed factor they think your robbing them.. Really we should be there from 9 til 12 two houses per day   :)

G Griffin

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 07:21:09 pm »
Good post, Cozy.
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groundhog

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 08:02:49 pm »
Yawn!!!!!  :-\

elite mike

Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2011, 08:11:36 pm »
 Look at Matt Bateman, he has A levels in stupidity and he uses WFP all the time.

lmao  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Slash

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2011, 08:31:21 pm »
Why are SOME wfps on here obsessed with trads and how much they dislike them?
I do both and it doesnt bother me what any one else does as long as I make a decent wage!!!!!!





Except for frankie and his leaflets!!!!!!!!!!
I have the answer...............................it's because most WFP users on here can't trad clean therefore a bit of green eye monster! ;D

Frankybadboy

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2011, 08:48:39 pm »
Why are SOME wfps on here obsessed with trads and how much they dislike them?
I do both and it doesnt bother me what any one else does as long as I make a decent wage!!!!!!





Except for frankie and his leaflets!!!!!!!!!!
nice of you to turn up now and again,your input is so greatly received NOT. ;D

groundhog

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2011, 10:21:26 pm »
Look at Matt Bateman, he has A levels in stupidity

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rob thomas

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Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2011, 10:35:41 pm »
Ta for your input frankie, you really have made me feel welcome on the forum!!!!
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mci services

Re: trad cleaning!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2011, 10:41:22 pm »
I tend to ignore these subjects, I am a window cleaner, I can use whatever method necessary 

cozy spot on mate ;)