[cozy]

The fact that you kept going even when canvassing effected you so much is great. the more you do it, the less it will effect you. Eventually you will get to the point of enjoying it. Head down and keep going. Cleaning windows is the easy part, the work is in getting the custies.

[AuRavelling79]

Why you "annoyed" cozy?

[groundhog]

It not the ability to clean a house that is different, its the ease of use and how you feel at the end of the day after a full days use, that is why its worth spending £250-£300 on a pole.

You don't get much lighter or easier to use than a Harris for everyday work, believe me I know!! Like I said.. post a vid of you using your super duper pole on an average house, and I'll post a vid of me using a Harris pole, and then we can see the difference.... Put up or shut up!!!!  

[groundhog]

tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem??? 

[LADDER MONKEY]

- about £10 a day 

[cozy]

Why you "annoyed" cozy?

Can't remember now, I know I was really annoyed about something someone posted, but can't find it now. I'll stay annoyed for a while. 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou!

[rosskesava]

cheers guys  
im not out to get a posh van or big image just a decent weeks earnings !
ive brought some rounds & got askd to do some houses that the guy lost as i dont think he was too good
i go the extra mile by doing frames etc (trad man) try to dress in good workgear & look the part, but just got a pole from gardiners and a backpack (get water from a m8 for now) was nervous about doing wfp but do windows now that are a bit risky by ladders trying to introduce it slowly (as a tool for now)
My big problem is canvasssing   pulled up outside an area last week & went for it BUT every house had a windy got back in car nearly shaking & totally down....find this so hard to do,most areas SEEMED covered or  thats the way im thinking  

any advice on this front guys ??

Every house had a window cleaner? Are you sure about that? Or is it more that is how it seemed to you at the time?

Also, it's not that 'most areas are covered'. In most areas there will be houses that already have window cleaners but that does not mean those window cleaners have that area covered.

I was doing roped access stuff but jacked it in because it was too much driving and I've gone back to ordinary houses so in effect, I've had to start all over again.

I got 5 000 leaflets done and spent weeks and weeks leafleting. I didn't see it as trying to get work, I just saw it as all I'm doing is putting a leaflet through a door and nothing else. If you do enough leafleting, the work will find you 100% guaranteed whether there is window cleaners in an area or not. I found the success rate is 4 or 5 decent jobs per 1 000 leaflets but I had about 30 odd inquiries per 1 000 leaflets.

Just think of it as putting a bit of paper or card through someones letterbox and nothing more and you'll be fine.

Cheers

[groundhog]

tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou!

Talk is cheap Wimpo-clean!! We went through all this stuff a long time ago.. I said that I could clean windows with my Harris pole as well and as easily as any other pole on the market, not to mention much quicker as I use my Harris pole clampless!! Everyone said that I couldn't.. so I posted a series of vids demonstrating the Harris pole in action and I challenged anyone to demonstrate their expensive pole cleaning an average house either better or faster than me, guess what.. no one took up the challenge.. but many were converted to the fantastic value Harris pole!!! 

[mci services]

have to agree with groundhog on this, although I missed the clips he posted.

but using a harris clampless is really fast and easy.

[EWCServices]

I thought up here in Scotland our earnings were inferior to our neighbours down south so im quite suprised to see there isnt that much of difference ive got a few runs of council houses(mostly bought) £4 a house years ago i could do 6 houses an hr but now im at 5 houses an hr this is done trad,i have wfp but i just use it on high and awkward work so roughly £20 an hr i make and my worker makes the same and i pay him £50 a shift,hes looking for a pay rise as hes been with me almost 2 yr now so a 50p increase is in the offing nxt month which should take me up to on ave £22.50 an hr per man.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou!

Talk is cheap Wimpo-clean!! We went through all this stuff a long time ago.. I said that I could clean windows with my Harris pole as well and as easily as any other pole on the market, not to mention much quicker as I use my Harris pole clampless!! Everyone said that I couldn't.. so I posted a series of vids demonstrating the Harris pole in action and I challenged anyone to demonstrate their expensive pole cleaning an average house either better or faster than me, guess what.. no one took up the challenge.. but many were converted to the fantastic value Harris pole!!! 

 

Groundhog, I know exactly what the Harris pole is like, as I said, I have one & have tried it.

We are talking about serious wfp'ing here, not whipping round tiny 3 bed semi's while your girlfriend films you!

I have used both, do you think for one minute if I could spend £15 & get the same as I get for £300 I wouldn't? : :

Not for me but you keep using it my friend, I don't care enough to take a video either!

[bad trippy]

On a good day Frank earns £50 and his employee earns £75 

[Tom White]

but using a harris clampless is really fast and easy.

I've used a Harris pole for about four-or-five years.  I've used the SLX for just over a month.

I know which pole I prefer, and it's not the Harris.

I find because the SLX is so much stiffer, and lighter; also longer than the Harris (I use the 18 foot SLX) that it's just so much easier.  I find that even though I may not work quicker-per-window, I tire far less and I'm able to work far longer and still arrive home full of beans; and come the next day, I'm raring to get out and stuck in again.

Also, because it's lighter and shorter when closed, it makes ground floor windows easier to do than using a Harris.

I've used both poles; and I will never use a Harris again with the exception of certain jobs which wouldn't be routine external window cleaning.

The Harris pole is a great pole for £15 and probably beats other far more expensive poles made of fibreglass or aluminium; and maybe even carbon fibre composite, but for full carbon poles it's in a lesser league guys.

I'm not an 'equipment snob', I'll DIY where it makes financial sense to do so, but being honest here, I think it makes financial sense to go carbon.  You'll tire less easily, work longer, and do less damage to your joints.

Twice last year I was in severe pain with my left shoulder; sometimes it was crippling; and I ended up taking Naproxen (a strong anti-inflammatory which really messes up your guts) for long periods and I have a note on medical records saying I can pick it up anytime I like without seeing the doc.

But since I've been using the SLX I've not had any shoulder problems.

[Frankybadboy]

On a good day Frank earns £50 and his employee earns £75 

well trippy thats double what you earn then

[groundhog]

 Oh, I've seen your video too

We are talking about serious wfping here not whipping round tiny 3 bed semi's

 I don't care enough to take a video either!

I didn't think you would post a vid as that would prove me right!! And you obviously haven't seen my vids as they were all 3 bed detached in the vids, and I can clean over 40 of them in one day using my clampless Harris pole, hows that for serious wfping!!!! 

[groundhog]

Here's a few of the vids just in case anyone is interested, the one at the bottom is probably the best;

http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html

[DavidWright76]

I'm a lot faster than when i started out back in september and business is going through the roof in both window cleaning and carpet cleaning. In the past 3 weeks, i have taken £230 each weekend plus i'll be starting a new contract in the summer cleaning the ins and outs of a school with around 200 windows. Time to quit the day job i reckon.

[Paddy Woods]

Every house had a window cleaner? Are you sure about that? Or is it more that is how it seemed to you at the time?

Also, it's not that 'most areas are covered'. In most areas there will be houses that already have window cleaners but that does not mean those window cleaners have that area covered.

Thanks Ross

well i pickd 1 small cul de sac about 20 houses which were about 10yrs old nice houses,but about 8 of the houses said nicely they had a windy so in the last few i just poped a card into the last houses...all the people i askd were very nice to me but felt i was banging my head off a wall & should i stop picking 'good' estates?

also when they said they had a windy i turnd on my heals .....1 windy seen me out & askd was i out trying to get work so i said yes but was not undercutting etc trying to be friendly but he was trying too hard with me! said you dont want to be nocking doors as you look desperate !let people come to you he said!! we'd be very poor if thats the way i thought 
but them words kind of get into the mind   

[cozy]

The "Fastest" way to get custies is by knocking. Nobody says otherwise. Quality custies come to you, but untill they get there, keep knocking. If you think it makes you look desperate, that's because you are. No joke meant, you think it's life and death. Get your attitude right and the rest will come naturally. Just remember, if they already have a windy, no problem. Doesn't mean everyone in the street has one though. You don't know till you ask. What's the worst that can happen?

I know rejection can be annoying and wear you down, but the difference between guys with small rounds and the guys with big rounds is who knocks and leaflets more. Which do you want to be?

Some will, some wont, so what, who cares? Keep knocking.