[davidsabishop]

Just to let you know that a new trade association is well advanced.
It is not a "New Fed" but a commercial operation designed so that member benefits will be worth more than the cost of joining.
It will be primarily for window cleaners who do not use ladders at all and will offer significant savings on insurance.
The association will be web based and heavily promoted on line.

[thewindowcleaner1]

It will be primarily for window cleaners who do not use ladders at all and will offer significant savings on insurance

So that means it will be for commercial windowcleaners then?
As most domestic WFP window cleaners use ladders if only for a small % of the work...

A Club for the boys

[Ray Pickering]

   

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!   


Us & Them ATTITUDE. Oh no i'm wrong again this dose'nt exist

(does it).

Ray.

[thewindowcleaner1]

It will be primarily for window cleaners who do not use ladders at all

Us & Them ATTITUDE

No not really it sounds like a puritans club, Hitler had a similar  idea

[windows_chepstow]

Sorry, David, but I'm guessing that the net result of today's meeting is that you all agreed that you wanted cheaper insurance for WFP ONLY users.

Well, that's good; but it's nothing life changing really.  It's a bit hollow if you know what I mean.  Is that it?  Cheaper insurance!  Remember your insurance costs are tax deductible anyway.  I bet most rank and file window cleaners don't bother with insurance anyway; although I haven't any evidence to back that up.  I do have my own insurance policy though; just in case someone here thinks I'm in that bracket.

Isn't it how the general public view the status of a window cleaner that we'd like to change?  So we're not viewed as some 'dodgy' bloke trying to earn a bit of beer money while claiming sickness benefit?

Personally, if I had the remotest idea how to move the window cleaning industry forward; I would have attended the meeting and put my point across.  But I have no idea how to do this.  None at all.  Not the remotest.  Not without a pile of cash and a major TV advertising campaign.

It seems you lot didn't also.  

That may sound extremely ungrateful since 'you lot' did at least make the effort to attend.  

I don't want to offend anyone.  I'm just asking, what can actually be done to MOVE THE WINDOW CLEANING INDUSTRY FORWARD?

[matt]

With a proposed launch date of January 2006 the Professional Window Cleaning Association (PWCA) has been formed.

After a long meeting hosted at the British Window Cleaning Academy in Chippenham, the Professional Window Cleaning Association prepares for the launch.

There will be further statements and announcements about future meetings as the launch date draws near.

There will be no inclusion from any of the interim committee on any debate created around this statement.

Robert McLean
PWCA Publicity Officer

Quote from other thread, Robert is the new PWCA publicity Officer

i guess from that, the "board of leaders" or whatever you wil call yourselves are in place

shame i couldnt get to the Meeting, BUT from what i heard it was going to be a "chat" on how to move things forward, and if decided  what to do

i guess i was slow off the mark, i never thought that meeting would decide "the leaders etc etc"

shame really, as i live fairly local, i would have liked to have helped

i feel like i have missed the boat a little, if it had been in the evening i would have been on-board

are well, another "club" ive missed entry into

[matt]

thinking on this

i guess i was pretty niave

we all knew the outcome

good luck anyways

[windows_chepstow]

Matt, stop sounding so desperate.  You're just after some free lunches; so stop it. 

Philip or Craig,

Please give us a briefing, because the few lines we've heard aren't very encouraging.

[thewindowcleaner1]

There will be no inclusion from any of the interim committee on any debate created around this statement

from the other thread....

[thewindowcleaner1]

As I tell my kids
"in life the only person you can count on is yourself"

[matt]

Matt, stop sounding so desperate.  You're just after some free lunches; so stop it. 

Philip or Craig,

Please give us a briefing, because the few lines we've heard aren't very encouraging.

aye, they got some nice 5 star hotels round this way

seriously, i thought i could have been a help, something of a guy to look after the normal Domestic window cleaner, leave the comercail boys to look after themselves, just have a bit of a voice for the domestic 1 man band type of guy

[Thecleanerservice]

No one ever cared about me

Pj

[thewindowcleaner1]

Having read both threads relating to this new assosiation last night I went to bed feeling a little/ lot disapointed,
I thought that this meeting of minds would create an assosiation for the benifit of ALL window cleaners Traditional/WFP new comers ect

The wording on this thread sticks its fingers up to all windowcleaners that carry ladders,(us and Them)

The second thread reads like a taster that big companys put out to get the intrest of people without telling them anything, this creates speculation and intrest for the product before it arrives on the market.

Oh well,
 Federation = old an inafective
new assosiation = modern and elite.

Have been sorting my own problems out for the last 14 years here's to the next 14

[thewindowcleaner1]

miserable git

No Disapointed....

[24-7 S C Services]

Please read this thread

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12219.0

[thewindowcleaner1]

DavidsaBishop was not at yesterdays meeting and his original thread has no bearing on what went on.

That simple sentence makes me feel a lot more optimistic,I was waiting for info re the meeting and felt totally disapointed by the start of this thread.

I will now shut up and wait to see what developes.

Alan

[davidsabishop]

Dont get confused guys.
I did not go to that meeting.
This association was well on the way before the meeting.
I am not some "King Pin" in the Industry that is going to claim to speak for everone else.
I am a one man band with an Escort 55 and a 300l van system who happens to have a marketing background and thinks he can do a reasonable job.
The association is to be called the National Association of Window Cleaners and will be launched soon.

PS Ladder men can join but the benefits re insurance will not be so great

[24-7 S C Services]

David

The only comments I can make on this association you are setting up is: -

1) To split the trade into two sectors (which is what you are doing) is going to damage the trade.

2) As a WFP user, I will not join or support any trade that discriminates other professional window cleaners (traditional in this case)

Andrew

[davidsabishop]

NO NO NO

The point is that ladder men are welcome but the benefits to them will not include lower insurance costs for obvious reasons.

[JohnL]

sorry David but you will have to spell that out -  what 'obvious reasons' are those  ?