[chopsie]

I have the pro window brush, Its ok. It is though a bit stiff when using cold water, But now i am using hot, it softens the bristles up just right.

[Alex Allen]

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose money
he also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

[Spruce]

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose money
he also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Alex

forget about the sales patter. I have just taken my Superlite Flocked DT off my pole to try one of these Aerial brushes, and my first opinion is negative. The brush is narrower (not as wide across) than the Superlite is and with a 90 degree brush holder, thread adaptor and then the angle adaptor, you have to hold the pole upright because, in motoring terms, the centre of gravity is too high and wants to topple onto its side when operated in a sideways (horizontal) direction on the glass. This is the same sensation that I get when using a goose neck adaptor and I personally don't get on with it. I would hate to think what it will be like with all the extensions on that I bought.

I will perceiver with it tomorrow, but I don’t see it as an innovative brush, sorry. It also feels heavier on my pole as well, although I haven't weighed them to confirm this.

If you aren't comfortable using the brush, then I can't see how it's going to help you clean faster.

Spruce.

[Spruce]

is that trick photography? 'Cos it looks bloomin small.

It is small. The width of the Superlite is 260mm and this brush is 224mm. That a lot of mm.

I also find that the soft outer bristles are too soft. You can't push them into the corner of a window and fish out spider nests like you can with the Superlite as their bristles are a little firmer. The brush stock is also a 'solid block'.

Bets me why Dr Windows should have an orgasm just through having ordered one, and that before receiving it and getting it into his hands. I notice that he still hasn't posted a review about this marvellous his brush is yet, even although he promised one several days ago. Maybe his excitement fizzled out too soon.

Edited: Sorry, he has, just posted on another thread - apologies.

Spruce

[andyM]

I think its called premature ...........! 

[gary999]

aeriel,superlight,vikan the difference in cleaning power of all
brushes of the same type(flocked or mono) is minimal

weight is the real issue i have been using gardeners
superlight for over 2yrs,it took me a few months of
perserverence to get use to it or wear it in and
apart from the stock being a little fragile and the edges
got roughed up easily its been a good cleaner.

however ive now been using a 11" vikan oval for the last few
months and apart from some weight difference the cleaning
power of the brush itself is no different,the first few weeks
using this brush i found iwas more tired at the end of the day
now a couple of months later ive adjusted and i dont miss the
lightened brush one bit.

my personal conclusion is ,if you are a bit of a wimp or you have
physical issues spend the extra and buy lightened brushes
otherwise buy brushes at a more reasonable price because all
these expensive brushes will not dramatically br better cleaners.

 ireally wish somebody would bring out a lightened sill brush
even the weight of my 11" oval would do.

that really would be worth 4 pages of talk

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose moneyhe also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Next time you speak to Richard, I would advise him to go out & do more window cleaning.

Since using the Xtreme SL (165g) I've cut my cleaning time down dramatically! It's like lightening. Might not be for everyone & it will struggle to clean upper sills (if you do them) BUT the speed & ease I can work at with this brush is staggering!

No doubt the Aeriel brush is probably a descent brush at cleaning but it has zero accuracy with such an extreme splay. If you want pin=point accuracy the new 0 degree SL offers it up in buckets!

[Alex Allen]

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose moneyhe also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Next time you speak to Richard, I would advise him to go out & do more window cleaning.

Since using the Xtreme SL (165g) I've cut my cleaning time down dramatically! It's like lightening. Might not be for everyone & it will struggle to clean upper sills (if you do them) BUT the speed & ease I can work at with this brush is staggering!

No doubt the Aeriel brush is probably a descent brush at cleaning but it has zero accuracy with such an extreme splay. If you want pin=point accuracy the new 0 degree SL offers it up in buckets!

your saying extreme brush with only half the bristles cleans faster or is it because its a few grams lighter
dosent make sense


0 degree brushes means you have no control over how the brush will splay
so their not accurate when you try to use the brush clean with
the monment you push down they go all over the place

you have never used the aerial brush
I will tell you how good the brush splay is
with your regular customers
you can clean the tops of frames with the bristles
without the jets spraying water all over them
takes about 1 second
then you can clean the window in 2 seconds
then go over the sill in about another second

Using the aerial brush a modern 3 bed semi is cleaned with less than 4 litres of water
takes me longer to reel the hose in

i'm thinking about using a trolley for this type of work now

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose moneyhe also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Next time you speak to Richard, I would advise him to go out & do more window cleaning.

Since using the Xtreme SL (165g) I've cut my cleaning time down dramatically! It's like lightening. Might not be for everyone & it will struggle to clean upper sills (if you do them) BUT the speed & ease I can work at with this brush is staggering!

No doubt the Aeriel brush is probably a descent brush at cleaning but it has zero accuracy with such an extreme splay. If you want pin=point accuracy the new 0 degree SL offers it up in buckets!

your saying extreme brush with only half the bristles cleans faster or is it because its a few grams lighter
dosent make sense


0 degree brushes means you have no control over how the brush will splay
so their not accurate when you try to use the brush clean with
the monment you push down they go all over the placeyou have never used the aerial brush
I will tell you how good the brush splay is
with your regular customers
you can clean the tops of frames with the bristles
without the jets spraying water all over them
takes about 1 second
then you can clean the window in 2 seconds
then go over the sill in about another second

Using the aerial brush a modern 3 bed semi is cleaned with less than 4 litres of water
takes me longer to reel the hose in

i'm thinking about using a trolley for this type of work now

Are you for real Alex? WTF! :

I give in. : No good knocking when there's no one in!

[windiewasher]

Try one and you will see how quick and easy it is.ill second that Alex.I'm getting over 2 houses done without filling my backpack.think I'm using 10 litres a house and getting great results.

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose moneyhe also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Next time you speak to Richard, I would advise him to go out & do more window cleaning.

Since using the Xtreme SL (165g) I've cut my cleaning time down dramatically! It's like lightening. Might not be for everyone & it will struggle to clean upper sills (if you do them) BUT the speed & ease I can work at with this brush is staggering!

No doubt the Aeriel brush is probably a descent brush at cleaning but it has zero accuracy with such an extreme splay. If you want pin=point accuracy the new 0 degree SL offers it up in buckets!

your saying extreme brush with only half the bristles cleans faster or is it because its a few grams lighter
dosent make sense


0 degree brushes means you have no control over how the brush will splay
so their not accurate when you try to use the brush clean with
the monment you push down they go all over the placeyou have never used the aerial brush
I will tell you how good the brush splay is
with your regular customers
you can clean the tops of frames with the bristles
without the jets spraying water all over them
takes about 1 second
then you can clean the window in 2 seconds
then go over the sill in about another second

Using the aerial brush a modern 3 bed semi is cleaned with less than 4 litres of water
takes me longer to reel the hose in

i'm thinking about using a trolley for this type of work now

Are you for real Alex? WTF! :

I give in. : No good knocking when there's no one in!

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Try one and you will see how quick and easy it is.ill second that Alex.I'm getting over 2 houses done without filling my backpack.think I'm using 10 litres a house and getting great results.

Brush preference is a very subjective thing - what one person likes another does not get one with, hence the proliferation of purpose-made brushes made for window cleaning.

What is not subjective is weight. With the new ASA advertising rulings coming into effect on the 1st of March regarding website advertising statements, website owners are going to have to be very careful how they word statements on the their websites.

We are confident that the statement on our website about the standard width (260mm) Super-Lite brush range - "The lightest range of WFP brushes in the world -without exception" will fully comply with the ASA standards. This stands true against all 'current' purpose made WFP brushes.

i spoke to richard from tecbuk about the weights of brushes
he has a huge range weights range from 125g - 475g
they are not his aerial range brushes these are made for individual companies
he said using a brush that is to light does means longer cleaning times
and that means you will get more tired and lose moneyhe also said there are more factors to consider and not just the weight of a brush

Next time you speak to Richard, I would advise him to go out & do more window cleaning.

Since using the Xtreme SL (165g) I've cut my cleaning time down dramatically! It's like lightening. Might not be for everyone & it will struggle to clean upper sills (if you do them) BUT the speed & ease I can work at with this brush is staggering!

No doubt the Aeriel brush is probably a descent brush at cleaning but it has zero accuracy with such an extreme splay. If you want pin=point accuracy the new 0 degree SL offers it up in buckets!

your saying extreme brush with only half the bristles cleans faster or is it because its a few grams lighter
dosent make sense


0 degree brushes means you have no control over how the brush will splay
so their not accurate when you try to use the brush clean with
the monment you push down they go all over the placeyou have never used the aerial brush
I will tell you how good the brush splay is
with your regular customers
you can clean the tops of frames with the bristles
without the jets spraying water all over them
takes about 1 second
then you can clean the window in 2 seconds
then go over the sill in about another second

Using the aerial brush a modern 3 bed semi is cleaned with less than 4 litres of water
takes me longer to reel the hose in

i'm thinking about using a trolley for this type of work now

Are you for real Alex? WTF! :

I give in. : No good knocking when there's no one in!

I might.

[Spruce]

Hi
I have just weighed the Aeriel Brush and compared it to the Superlite DT Flocked brush. I included the Aeriel brush adaptor, thread adaptor and the plastic angle adaptor and the brush adaptor and angle adaptor on the Superlite. I also included the hose on both brushes that connect to my Aqua-daptor.

Superlite = 420g
Aeriel = 500g

both weighed on our food weighing scale.

The Aeriel brush is smaller than the Superlite, and has been commented before, would require more brush strokes on the glass to get the job done.

So where Alex gets the story from that it's lighter in definitely incorrect. The concern is that newbies like I was a few years ago, come onto this site seeking genuine info to help them on their way and don't always get it. This thread is a typical example. The only reason I bought an Aerial brush was on the back of Lee GLS comments that he found it works nicely for him, but I have personally been disappointed with it's performance. At 500g the brush is in the same weight class as the oval Vikans we used to use.

The only thing I can say in the Aeriel brush's favour it that it glides nicely over leaded windows and makes quick work of them. Otherwise, it doesn't feature in my appraisal.

Spruce

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Hi
I have just weighed the Aeriel Brush and compared it to the Superlite DT Flocked brush. I included the Aeriel brush adaptor, thread adaptor and the plastic angle adaptor and the brush adaptor and angle adaptor on the Superlite. I also included the hose on both brushes that connect to my Aqua-daptor.

Superlite = 420g
Aeriel = 500g

both weighed on our food weighing scale.

The Aeriel brush is smaller than the Superlite, and has been commented before, would require more brush strokes on the glass to get the job done.

So where Alex gets the story from that it's lighter in definitely incorrect. The concern is that newbies like I was a few years ago, come onto this site seeking genuine info to help them on their way and don't always get it. This thread is a typical example. The only reason I bought an Aerial brush was on the back of Lee GLS comments that he found it works nicely for him, but I have personally been disappointed with it's performance. At 500g the brush is in the same weight class as the oval Vikans we used to use.

The only thing I can say in the Aeriel brush's favour it that it glides of leaded windows and makes quick work of them. Otherwise, it doesn't feature in my appraisal.

Spruce

 

I think it's quite clear just from some of the comments on this thread that Alex's knowledge of reality is somewhat. clouded?

[Lee GLS]

Spruce, i have just weighed my brushes and here are the following weights, all with angle adapters and pipes

SL DT Mono 390g
Aerial 459g
Vikan 518 (the new one with the red rubber edge)

So the SL is still definitly the lightest, but the vikan is still the heaviest.

I think the aerial brush will be an aquired taste, but it does move nicely over the glass and requires less pressure than my SL DT mono to get the middle bristles in contact with the glass.

What is it that you dont like about the brush spruce?

[Spruce]

Hi Lee,

Interesting the weight measurement differences between our scales. Anyway the difference in weight between them is significant. The Vikans thread adaptor that's built into the brush is at a slightly greater angle than the SL and we have never used an angle adaptor with them.

The flocked SL I have it the splayed bristles and it is sofer than the Mono DT that I also have so I find that the splay on this brush is better than the mono and hence doesn't require the same effort to get it to work. The brush I have on my SLX is the flocked SL with 0 degree splay and it think this is not as nice to use as the splayed equivalent.

I made the observation earlier that I don't like the 90 degree brush adaptor with it thread adaptor to convert to the thread of the angle adaptor. As the brush is a lot narrower, in motoring terms this makes the drive of the brush higher - a higher centre of gravity and I feel it wants to topple over especially with horizontal strokes. (I would hate to think what it would be like with all these extensions that I have as well). The drive of the gardiner brush is from an angle and much better IMO. I also did find a lot of difference weight wise using the brush for the first time on Friday on the same pole. I could immediatley feel it was heavier.

Dai commented that he felt the jets could be pointed lower, but his observation could suggest that he is not running the brush vertically on the glass. I have experiemented with different angles on the glass myself and find the most comfortable is at a slight angle with the jets pointing upward. This is the only adjustment that you can get the built in scraper to touch the glass(with difficulty) although I reverted back to the guaranteed method of scrapping bird muck off with the edge of the brush head.

I don't have much compact work on my round, although this week I have a couple of streets to do. I haven't got the bottle to wash and walk away without rinsing but may try it on the first house on Monday and go back and evaluate it later once it has dried. I have always rinsed the glass brush off.

Spruce

[Jeff Brimble]

I got a red ariel, weighs 338gm without the plastic scraper.

[Nameless Drudge]

I would just like to personally thank all contributors to this thread,its just what i have been waiting for having put all purchases on hold. I`m running with a clx 27 and the black DT 15 degree so something would need to be quite exceptional to get my wallet open again. I`ve just completed appx. 160 first cleans, glass and frames with this set up and now clean with near total confidence.
                                  What about the black ariel with the 3 x thicker filaments that costs appx £60 ?,tecbuk must be insane if they think folk want to shell out that sort of money to experiment.

                               The lack of unbiased personal appraisal of this or these brushes from experienced wfp operators exclaiming they are worth every single penny is the clue,i.e.,lack of.  Also subconsciously if you had shelled out top money for a brush justification of its worth is likely to no longer be impartial.

  Bottom line is,tecbuk stick a £60 brush on sale,tell me its great and i am supposed to believe it.
                                In my case they have simply annoyed me !

[Lee GLS]

Spruce, i agree with all that you have said in your post. I have fan jets fitted to my aerial brush and rinse in the glass, that is why i haven't gone for the DT Flocked, if i rinsed off the glass then i wouldn't have bought the aerial, i would have gone for the SL DT Flocked. With regards to the DT mono, I'm with you, the bristles are too firm and require too much pressure for me, i know other will disagree, so that is why i went for the aerial, its a mono brush with softer bristles, so its the only brush at the moment that ticks all the boxes for me with regard to being able to rinse on the glass, and requiring less force to get the bristles in contact with the glass


Sean, there are some people on here who either work, or have some connection with tecbuk or have a gripe against gardiners.

The aerial brush is by no means perfect, the scraper is a complete waste of time, all i have done with it so far is managed to cut my hand on it.

As for the price, it is expensive and it does need to be reduced if other people want to try it and then maybe we will get some more impartial advice on it.

The whole thing of being able to walk away without rinsing i feel is a bit far fetched, i think with any brush there will be circumstances where you could get away without rinsing, but if you want to guarantee that you will have no problems with your work, then i think you will always need to rinse to a certain degree.

[windiewasher]

Just done 6 first cleans with red Aeriel brush great results everytime.1 was a hotel.all customers very impressed!

[dai]

Dai commented that he felt the jets could be pointed lower, but his observation could suggest that he is not running the brush vertically on the glass. I have experiemented with different angles on the glass myself and find the most comfortable is at a slight angle with the jets pointing upward. This is the only adjustment that you can get the built in scraper to touch the glass(with difficulty) although I reverted back to the guaranteed method of scrapping bird muck off with the edge of the brush head.

I don't have much compact work on my round, although this week I have a couple of streets to do. I haven't got the bottle to wash and walk away without rinsing but may try it on the first house on Monday and go back and evaluate it later once it has dried. I have always rinsed the glass brush off.

Spruce

I didn't say that mate, it must have been someone else, I bought the bare brush and jetted it myself.
I do think it's a great brush, just wish it was a bit wider.