[AuRavelling79]

I'm trad as well, but I can see the benefits of wfp it's another tool to get to windows and jobs I couldn't with trad.

However my biggest fear is what the customers would think compared to trad. Fear is the foe

That is exactly my point alfynokes - I mean who wouldn't want to double their income from the safety of the ground? Fear of the customer's reaction and the fear of ones ability to convince them that they will get a good job done is the reason many don't change.

The guy with no driving license and using the barrow - there is no reason at all why a guy with a barrow cannot use wfp. He is bound to have a compact round and if he can push a 100 litres of water around and go home for more then he will only have to refill once in a day - because he can still trad the bottoms.

And if you want power you could make a system from a 2nd hand disabled buggy.

[Ian W]

Push a 100 litres of water around... Sod that for a game of soldiers! 

[Lee GLS]

Why do people start these topics? They are pointless.































Everyone knows wfp is best!!!!!!!!!!
   

[rosskesava]

One thing that always puzzles me about wfp and the claim that the windows are perfect afterwards. Most who use wfp do not see the end result. They are onto the next job before the windows dry.

I agree 100% that if the customer is happy, then it's a job well done but the frequent claims about wfp gives better results than trad, it depends on the person doing the job but in my experience both as a wfp user and a trad w/c is that generally, wfp isn't all it's cracked up to be in terms of clean windows and frames.

For arkward windows, commercial work, bulk work, high rise, etc, wfp is far better (and safer) but for quality, a good trad cleaner can always do a much better job even if it does take longer.

I've recently changed what work I do. I'd been doing roped access but the traveling was getting to me so I've jacked that in and I'm going back to houses. While touting for business last week (calling door to door) in a very plush area, I picked up 3 seriously decent jobs. Two of them stressed that they didn't want a w/c who used a pole. The complaint being water everywhere and a not very good job done.

Whether it was the person doing a bad job or wfp as a window cleaning system, who knows but either way, I was able to get an extra good price by selling the extra time it would take to clean the windows trad style.

Cheers

[steven jones]

I'm trad as well, but I can see the benefits of wfp it's another tool to get to windows and jobs I couldn't with trad.

However my biggest fear is what the customers would think compared to trad. Fear is the foe

There was a problem when "one rag jonny went to the blade" but people are getting used to wfp's Know.

There will be a time soon when ladder work will be a old fashioned method, thats when custy,s

stop being prejudiced & except it works, also some custy's don't like the fact its easier money.

[geoffreyspecht]

i started out as i one rag johny

[rosskesava]

There was a problem when "one rag jonny went to the blade" but people are getting used to wfp's Know.

There will be a time soon when ladder work will be a old fashioned method, thats when custy,s

stop being prejudiced & except it works, also some custy's don't like the fact its easier money.

Yup, they will accept wfp as the norm but carry on. I've a friend who is an old fashioned carpenter. He earns a forutne from people willing to pay for a job done properly in the manner of days gone by.

[bobby p]

one point is that unless youve got superb eyesight how can you see that youve cleaned good with wfp. its guesswork from a floor below

   im trad and its only when im face to glass  can i see if it takes 1 wipe or 6 wipes to lift the dirt off the glass . even then sometimes extra scrub a stubborn area  . 

i quite often read on the forum of customer call backs with wfp, but never hear of that with trad .

 of course you have to balance out the safety aspect, low risk of death with wfp . no need to be thin or fit using  wfp    . ive spend best part of a year getting into shape by running and starving myself but its the only way- must be thin to be a trad bloke ,otherwise simply wont cope with a full round

 

[Ian W]

must be thin to be a trad bloke ,otherwise simply wont cope with a full round 

Ah, that's where I am going wrong! 

[bobby p]

must be thin to be a trad bloke ,otherwise simply wont cope with a full round 

Ah, that's where I am going wrong! 

  lets face it , theres 2 options .  let your body go and you have years of life  being a wfp guy, im thinking you could hang on in there with a huge belly AND  a full wfp round well into your 70s 

  OR  keep rake thin  and do the trad thang till something goes click eventually (probably a knee/hip)

[edward1]

im mainly wfp ,but do suffer from an r.s.i due to it .so im not so sure wfp is better .

sure you wont break your neck but constant strain on your back is no good either .

[boldy1304]

Why do people start these topics? They are pointless.
































Everyone knows wfp is best!!!!!!!!!!
   

best post on here quick and straight to the point

[bobby p]

its probably an advantage to be overweight if you use a pole. a counterbalance weight low down (bigbelly/bum) will make it easier long term

 if you are very thin,i would think the weight of a pole+brush would tend to tip you forward  causing strain on body  similar to a fisherman hooking a marlin

[cat9921]

I take my hat off to birdymiller

he is honest and has given WFP a go .... But all that seems to happen is that he gets shot down
Why do people feel that they need to convince WC about WFP if they just do not like it  :

There will always be work for trad cleaners and they will pick up work off us WFP and I have picked up work from them

But I do think there is something we need to clear up ... its this thing that trad cleaners think about that because they clean the window right next to it they get perfect results and we don't

I would ask any trad cleaner to ask themselves honestly have they ever been asked to clean inside and seen smears and scuff marks from trad cleaning ... I know I still do from time to time

But they still have trust in there equipment  :

and its the same with us wfp cleaners

yes when we leave the window it is still wet but there is nothing stopping us going back to check our work and a good window cleaner will do that wether he is trad or WFP


I will admit that I still make mistakes with the system and leave the odd spot or two and if you were to check my work I bet you would find this  But I bet if I was to check trad cleaners work then we would find the odd mark or two as well

and if you see the odd mark from trad or WFP you would put that right  :

well thats how I see it 

[ronaldo]

The way i see it is this, weather you clean them with a pole or by traditional methods the bottom line is this, the window is either clean or dirty when you,ve finished if your any good at how you clean them they will be clean, if your happy and your earning enough to live on who cares how you do it.

[Newannaive]

good point cat992912..

me mother has a ladder man and when the sun shines on them...oh dear  :