[AC Window Cleaning]

Traditional method for me,wouldnt ever use wfp on domestics.

[nelly]

trad for me,but got a commercial job coming off,think wfp maybe better ,for that one job

[bad trippy]

Ive never known a trad v wfp thread on this forum before  :

[BORBRYCE]

Traditional method for me,wouldnt ever use wfp on domestics


Why not AC?. Most of the guy's on here have been doing just that for a good few years now, myself included. Once you get you head around it, it works bloody well indeed leaving a superb finish, is very quick and safe. I did ladders for 17 years and wfp for almost five now. I know what is best by a mile and it aint a squeegee and a bucket and a ladder.

[Johnny B]

I am trad and intend to stay that way.

I may not earn as much as the WFP guys, but then my overheads are lower, so I don't need to bust a gut to pay for the gear, and being borderline OCD I achieve results as good as WFP. This must be so, as the windows are spotless and smear free when I have finished them!

Above all, I am HAPPY!!

John. 

[BORBRYCE]

Johnny, that is good and I am sure you know your business better than anyone. A few days ago you were asking about the price involved in venturing into wfp. I hope you have the sense to listen to the guys who have already done so. Working life really does become so much easier and safer and you being a perfectionist would rise and enjoy the challenge of getting it right. It does take a bit of thought to perfect make no mistake but really really is worth it when you do and when a customer tells you that they have never had the glass or frame so clean, you will just know that you made the right decision.

[Johnny B]

Ronnie,

Many thanks for your help and advice. It is genuinely appreciated. Yes, I did ask about WFP costs, etc,  and did so in all seriousness, but decided after due consideration that I would leave things as they are.

Best wishes to all, WFP and tradders alike,

John. 

[Gordon_Taylor]

 I'm quite perticular in the way I like to leave a job.

So that make two in the club 

Gordon

Im quite particular in the way i leave the job to, I like to leave the windows spotless and the frames sparkling, thats why i use WFP 

It makes me die that the wfp boys take it so personally when theres a negative thread about wfp, at the end of the day I prefer trad thats my choice, I am not a lamb that will follow everybody else just because it seem fashionable.

It may be me I am probably better with a blade than a pole, there are plenty of people on here that where crap window cleaners when they were trad, you tell this by some of the posts that they have made when changing over like "I now clean all the frames and sills and customers love it" so this tells me that they never did them when trad so meaning that they were not good window cleaners before changing.

It's all personal, if you wont to use a blade then use it or if you use a pole then so be it, but this constant digging at trad cleaner is stupid, and as for superior results I think that is some what influenced by the amount of money thats spent.

Gordon

[Smudger]

Good post Gordon,

when trad i did the frames and sills everytime, but for me the WFP is better as it gets right into the nooks and cranny's where you cant get your fingers and cloth into.

i don't knock trad cleaners - every1 needs to make a living and do it the best way they can - and that means being comfortable with how you work.

WFP for me was about quality and safety not doing a house 10 times quicker etc...

some of the converts here mean well, they just want to let people know that WFP works and is safer to use.

others just want to wind every1 up - you have to make your mind up on who's genuine and who is dishing out a
bucket od BS.

Darran

[dazmond]

your restricted if you stay trad thats the only thing.i was trad for 16 years but ive been wfp for 9 months now and ive took on quite a few bigger better paying jobs that i couldnt of done if i was still on the ladders.

if you ve been climbing ladders day in/day out 100+times for 16 years it starts taking its toll on the knees plus 2 ladder falls and a few near misses made me seriously think about finding a safer better way of working and wfp is it!!plain and simple!

dont forget the piece of mind it gives us wfpolers when cleaning the properties with sloping driveways that are mossy/wet and slippy!decking/gravel etc ,etc!!

you cant beat it!!i still use the squeegee on some ground floor work and the odd property where its easier than getting the wfp equipment out but its less than 20% of my overall workload.

the other thing is that wfp is almost too good after a few months using it!the windows dont seem to get half as dirty as they used to when i was 100% trad!the frames etc can be cleaned also to a much higher standard!


hand tools and ladders do have a place in my van but wfp is one hell of a tool for cleaning windows once you get used to it!plus you ll be more professional and your earning power will increase.

lots of trad cleaners near where i work  are perfectly happy. i get the odd one giving me stick for using a pole system but im the one whos picking up the bigger jobs and in some cases their work as well!

[AC Window Cleaning]

Traditional method for me,wouldnt ever use wfp on domestics


Why not AC?. Most of the guy's on here have been doing just that for a good few years now, myself included. Once you get you head around it, it works bloody well indeed leaving a superb finish, is very quick and safe. I did ladders for 17 years and wfp for almost five now. I know what is best by a mile and it aint a squeegee and a bucket and a ladder.

Alot of my customers used to have fella's doing it wfp,they complained it was too expensive for just "hosing them down" and that they left them soaking wet and they streaked.As we all know,this should not be happening as pure water doesnt streak.I got asked to quote a customer who had just cancelled her wfp cleaner and asked me to go and have a look at her kitchen window inside.It was bad,i wouldnt have paid him in washers for that.
Also,alot say how they dont have a choice "thats just what they use,given the choice i prefer the "old way"....."
Ive used both and prefer trad tbh.
Smaller outlay=quicker profits.
Before an old employer of mine bought a pole system we used to use cherry pickers for certain commercial jobs and trad them from the basket.Then used a wfp and that was obviously miles quicker,so can see where they would be most beneficial.

[erithwc]

i like using trad but im looking forward to going wfp due to the fact i wont have to worry about any h&s officer tapping me on the shoulder.

[AC Window Cleaning]

i like using trad but im looking forward to going wfp due to the fact i wont have to worry about any h&s officer tapping me on the shoulder.

Yeah,they often wander the streets dont they.... :

[erithwc]

i like using trad but im looking forward to going wfp due to the fact i wont have to worry about any h&s officer tapping me on the shoulder.

Yeah,they often wander the streets dont they.... :

no they don't but if you had a accident at work they will soon be there to take you to court especially if a member of the pubic was involved.

[bad trippy]

Im WFP and me and the Mrs done £350 in 5 hours this morn
Back to trad NO THANK YOU

[erithwc]

just did a quick google search http://www.ashfords.co.uk/news/fall_pi_defendant  feel soory for the bt employees family

This proves my point h&s don't care until there is a problem better safe than sorry

[G Griffin]

i like using trad but im looking forward to going wfp due to the fact i wont have to worry about any h&s officer tapping me on the shoulder.

That could cause an accident. 

[AuRavelling79]

I think that the intransigence of many traddies is not wise.

Imagine your job was to lay decking all day long and you insist on using a hand screwdriver compared to a power one.

Tradscrew: "I like hand screwing (oooh errr) - you can get the heads of all the screws to the same depth across the decking."

Powerscrew: "Yebbut my decking is laid in half the time to yours and cuz I price per job I earn loads more - you ought to try it."

Now a wise person would look into it and probably have the courage to make the change and then reap the rewards.

I have come to the conclusion that the main reason someone doesn't change the vast majority of his work from trad to wfp is fear. I mean it and can make a very good case for that statement and I don't mean it in a fingerpointing way.

[barry mallett]

spot on gold . got a mate who is dying to go wfp . he has got some really nice well priced rounds , but he keeps saying to me "im scared of losing em" dont know how many times ive  told him you will pick up more than you lose . if you lose any at all . but i thikf he is gonna go for it in the spring

[dazmond]

I think that the intransigence of many traddies is not wise.

Imagine your job was to lay decking all day long and you insist on using a hand screwdriver compared to a power one.

Tradscrew: "I like hand screwing (oooh errr) - you can get the heads of all the screws to the same depth across the decking."

Powerscrew: "Yebbut my decking is laid in half the time to yours and cuz I price per job I earn loads more - you ought to try it."

Now a wise person would look into it and probably have the courage to make the change and then reap the rewards.

I have come to the conclusion that the main reason someone doesn't change the vast majority of his work from trad to wfp is fear. I mean it and can make a very good case for that statement and I don't mean it in a fingerpointing way.

spot on gold!post of the week!!

FEAR can stop us from doing lots of things in life!!the same for raising prices! we just need to do it!!


i did lose 3 custies due to wfp but who cares ive picked up lots more BECAUSE I USE THE POLE!!

plus you ll lose your custies anyway if you fall of your ladder and badly injure yourself or worse.


regards


dazmond