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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2010, 07:40:20 pm »
PLAIN LAZY, mine are not just two little windows either side of a door either, shop owners dont want puddles of water under their windows or an ice rink in these conditions, if you had the right tools and techniques you could clean them far quicker than with a wfp, and you would'nt need to waste your time and money with salt or grit for that matter.

G Griffin

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2010, 07:44:01 pm »
The best thing for ice is gin and tonic.
Bombay Sapphire and Tanqueray are nice. I don`t really mind which tonic it is but Schweppes is good.
Or a brandy and Baileys this time of year  ;).
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Richard Neal

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2010, 10:03:05 pm »
Dishwasher salt from Lidl,.. cheap as chips & very effective.
Good idea! I'll be off to lidl in the morning, got charged £9.00 for a bag of grit from a local hardware store!!
Im not scared of heights, just falling from them.
mrwindowclean@hotmail.co.uk

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2010, 11:20:46 pm »
i generally use frozen water.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2010, 11:33:45 pm »
me too, whats the point bloody ice everywhere anyway
and I trad doors and doorways ,common sense really innit ?  ::)


You could never be done anyway. With all the snow and ice on the ground how could it ever be proved that 'it was your ice' what a load of PC nonsense if you ask me.


Its called courtesy and consideration for others. Theres a risk because you have sprayed water on your customers property when the weather and ground conditions are sub-zero, you ought to do all you can in that case to ensure the safety of others.

Its not about if you can be proved to have been the cause, its about whether or not you are showing care and consideration for others. You'd be the first to moan if you were the victim of your own stupidity.

gavin pedley

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2010, 11:34:54 pm »
Totally agree  ::)

trevor perry

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2010, 10:32:13 am »
i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Nathanael Jones

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2010, 10:50:58 am »
i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them

Yes please. info@avondhucleaning.com

trevor perry

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2010, 11:00:08 am »
i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them

Yes please. info@avondhucleaning.com
email sent
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

dave0123

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2010, 11:19:40 am »
Id love a copy please!

voi-p@hotmail.co.uk

Manny thanks
Dave.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2010, 11:24:01 am »
Thanks Trevor. :)

trevor perry

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2010, 12:00:30 pm »
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

DaveG

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2010, 12:41:58 pm »
Hi Trevor can you send me one please?

info@h2ose.co.uk

Thanks
You can't polish a turd

mci services

Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2010, 12:45:55 pm »
can somebody that has received the email cut and paste it on here to save trevor sending it out.

if not can I have a look trevor DELETED

thanks

wfp master

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2010, 01:25:36 pm »
snowboard ::)

Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2010, 05:02:53 pm »
Could someone please and copy and paste it on here or email me a copy please?

Thanks Matt.

info@oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk

DaveG

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2010, 05:08:40 pm »
Here it is... hope you dont mind Trevor



Ref: OVAE-8BWLPM


Dear Mr Perry


Thank you for your enquiry regarding water fed poles.


There is nothing specific set down in HSE legislation in regards to using

water fed poles. As confirmed by our Working at Height policy team it would

be subject to the findings of the employers risk assessment.


Risk assessments are a legal requirement under the Management of Health and

Safety at Work Regulations 1999.  Regulation 3 stipulates that:


Every employer shall make a suitable and sufficient assessment of -


(a) the risks to the health and safety of his employees to which they are

exposed whilst they are at work; and


(b) the risks to the health and safety of persons not in his employment

arising out of or in connection with the conduct by him of his undertaking.


The Approved Code of Practice goes on to say:


This regulation requires all employers and self-employed people to assess

the risks to workers and any others who may be affected by their work or

business.  This will enable them to identify the measures they need to take

to comply with health and safety law.  All employers should carry out a

systematic general examination of the effect of their undertaking, their

work activities and the condition of the premises. Those who employ five or

more employees should record the significant findings of that risk

assessment.


A risk assessment is carried out to identify the risks to health and safety

to any person arising out of, or in connection with, work or the conduct of

their undertaking.  It should identify how the risks arise and how they

impact on those affected.  This information is needed to make decisions on

how to manage those risks so that the decisions are made in an informed,

rational and structured manner, and the action taken is proportionate.


A risk assessment should usually involve identifying the hazards present in

any working environment or arising out of commercial activities and work

activities, and evaluating the extent of the risks involved, taking into

account existing precautions and their effectiveness.  In this approved

code of practice:


(a) a hazard is something with the potential to cause harm (this can

include articles, substances, plant or machines, methods of work, the

working environment and other aspects of work organisation);

(b) a risk is the likelihood of potential harm from that hazard being

realised.  The extent of the risk will depend on:


(i) the likelihood of that harm occurring;


(ii) the potential severity of that harm, i.e. of any resultant injury or

adverse health effect; and


(iii) the population which might be affected by the hazard, i.e. the number

of people who might be exposed.


Reference: L21: The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations

1999: Approved Code of Practice and Guidance, ISBN 9780717624881, £8.00.

This can be downloaded online at the following web address:


http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l21.pdf



The HSE also produce the following publication on risk assessment:


INDG163, Five Steps to risk assessments, single copies are free. This can

be accessed online at the following web address:



http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg163.pdf



In addition, the HSE have produced example risk assessments to view online.

The web address is as follows:



http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/index.htm




You can't polish a turd

Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2010, 05:17:11 pm »
Cheers Bud!

Common sense essentially. Check out the situation, assess it and respond accordingly.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2010, 06:53:41 pm »
Its the standard non-committal H&S rubbish,.. lots of words that say absolutely nothing:
"Use your own common sense,.. but if your common sense somehow results in an accident we may well prosecute you"

trevor perry

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Re: What are you using for ice?
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2010, 07:14:46 pm »
Its the standard non-committal H&S rubbish,.. lots of words that say absolutely nothing:
"Use your own common sense,.. but if your common sense somehow results in an accident we may well prosecute you"
thats exactly how a read it
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt