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♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2010, 02:02:14 pm »
Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+

The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).

Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)

so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!

Hopefully ill get used to it.




the brush is no good, hard work
either put a vikan on, not recommending you do that now, but it is better than the superlight
the aerial brush is the king of window cleaning brushes
until you try it you will never know how much easier and quiker wfp is


Rubbish!

I have all the super-lite brushes & the one he's picked is superb. It's anything but hard work, infact IMO it's the easiest super-lite to work with.

Which of the super-lite brushes are YOU indeed talking about?


Alex Allen

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2010, 06:03:10 pm »
do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?

i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean

all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2010, 06:29:17 pm »
do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?

i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean

all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p

You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.

I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2010, 06:54:23 pm »
crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes

Mike #1

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2010, 08:04:19 pm »
crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes



you're talking crap mate great products from gardiners totally agree with dave (suds ) bang on alex gardiner is try his absolute best to do the best for all of us as window cleaners to turn things around every thing has its probs but i cannot knock gardiners at all i have only bought and used their brushes if not for alex and co i would have a heavy mediocore brush to use i now use the best on the market , i will be buying an clx possibly an slx next year i have  every confidence in GARDINER POLE SYSTEMS as a company to put everything right and tyo provide great customer service

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2010, 08:53:35 pm »
crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes



you're talking crap mate great products from gardiners totally agree with dave (suds ) bang on alex gardiner is try his absolute best to do the best for all of us as window cleaners to turn things around every thing has its probs but i cannot knock gardiners at all i have only bought and used their brushes if not for alex and co i would have a heavy mediocore brush to use i now use the best on the market , i will be buying an clx possibly an slx next year i have  every confidence in GARDINER POLE SYSTEMS as a company to put everything right and tyo provide great customer service
not talking crap at all mate, afterall I bought one and that is what I think, is my opinion not valid ? this is a forum

mikecam

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2010, 09:07:01 pm »
crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes

I've bought four CLX poles, through my recomendation another mate (local to me) has bought one. And i recomended them to another mate who runs a few vans with a team of guys, they've bought five of them. Without any hesitation they all think they are brilliant.
 The clamps seem fine and i wouldn't describe them as crap.
True the glue does seem to be an issue with some.
The hose they supplied did seem to me on the stiff side, but it seems to have been replaced with a softer more supple hose.
 Brushes are fine.
I'd go so far as to say they are the best and cheapest standard workhorse pole by a mile. I'm gonna get one of Jeff Brimbles in Jan and i'm looking forward to it. The rest don't even come close.

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2010, 10:23:27 pm »
ok, what I wrote may sound short and harsh so let me explain
 Firstly I bought a clx 27 to fill the void between using a 18ft harris diy pole and my extel hybrid 40ft.
I've had it a couple of months and its used daily and has replaced my harris pole and the need to use the 40ft except for the occasions that the height warrants it , so thats great.
So far two clamps have come unstuck, no problem I bought epoxy resin and fixed them. Then the thread stripped from one of the barrel adjustment nuts, gardiners were good enough to send me some spares on request but that did mean 3 days without using the pole. Clamps seem to need adjustments and tinkering with daily else sections spin.
The brush seems to unscrew itself from the pole quite a lot and so I've fixed that with plumbers tape on the thread.
As others have said the end cap keeps falling off, fixed that too with some gaffa tape.
Now its really cold the hose is rubbish, is slow , annoying and pita to use, gets tangled on absolutely everything including itself, has to be without doubt the worst hose I have ever used, gardiners really needs to address this :(
 Superlight brushes have imo superlight scrubbing power, vikan sill is king but maybe thats just a personal preferance.So many of you seem to think stick superlight in the title makes it the best, "it must be great coz it only weighs about the same as a stick of candy floss" half the weight but twice the price, its just a brush for goodnes sake and not a particlarly good one


i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean

all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
Agree with that entirely !

 My extel hybrid is now 3 years old, has it suffered any of these problems or needed much servicing in that time ? NO, clamps are great by far the most ergonomic and maintenance free I've ever used, never stripped a thread, never come unstuck, streamline lite 5 hose remains supple even in cold weather, far superior.
 CLX is cheaper than similar length extel hybrid by quite a bit which is why I bought it but I can see why now, its a bit lighter too but at the cost of rigidity and durability. Gardiners customer service has never been in question, they go that extra mile that other supliers dont.
BUT I stand by what I say, crap brushes, crap hoses, crap clamps and crap glue because thats my experience, they are an innovative company, always pushing forward and so maybe Alex will read this and take it onboard. Its customer feedback afterall, negative maybe but constructive.
 

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2010, 10:33:47 pm »
ok, what I wrote may sound short and harsh so let me explain
 Firstly I bought a clx 27 to fill the void between using a 18ft harris diy pole and my extel hybrid 40ft.
I've had it a couple of months and its used daily and has replaced my harris pole and the need to use the 40ft except for the occasions that the height warrants it , so thats great.
So far two clamps have come unstuck, no problem I bought epoxy resin and fixed them. Then the thread stripped from one of the barrel adjustment nuts, gardiners were good enough to send me some spares on request but that did mean 3 days without using the pole. Clamps seem to need adjustments and tinkering with daily else sections spin.
The brush seems to unscrew itself from the pole quite a lot and so I've fixed that with plumbers tape on the thread.
As others have said the end cap keeps falling off, fixed that too with some gaffa tape.
Now its really cold the hose is rubbish, is slow , annoying and pita to use, gets tangled on absolutely everything including itself, has to be without doubt the worst hose I have ever used, gardiners really needs to address this :(
 Superlight brushes have imo superlight scrubbing power, vikan sill is king but maybe thats just a personal preferance.
 My extel hybrid is now 3 years old, has it suffered any of these problems or needed much servicing in that time ? NO, clamps are great by far the most ergonomic and maintenance free I've ever used, never stripped a thread, never come unstuck, streamline lite 5 hose remains supple even in cold weather, far superior.
 CLX is cheaper than similar length extel hybrid by quite a bit which is why I bought it but I can see why now, its a bit lighter too but at the cost of rigidity and durability. Gardiners customer service has never been in question, they go that extra mile that other supliers dont.
BUT I stand by what I say, crap brushes, crap hoses, crap clamps and crap glue because thats my experience, they are an innovative company, always pushing forward and so maybe Alex will read this and take it onboard. Its customer feedback afterall, negative maybe but constructive.
 


So which, of the wide choice of brush is crap?

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2010, 10:45:00 pm »
What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion  :D

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2010, 10:49:36 pm »
What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion  :D

Yes, we have VERY different opinions on what a good brush is!

VIKAN SILL :o :o  and you want to be taken seriously? ;D ;D

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2010, 10:56:01 pm »
What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion  :D

Yes, we have VERY different opinions on what a good brush is!

VIKAN SILL :o :o  and you want to be taken seriously? ;D ;D
No , what you think does'nt even bother me
but what I do take seriously is what I spend my money on, not how many brushes I own or which company I endorse  ;D cheesey smile

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2010, 11:03:41 pm »
I think gardiners are a great company i have a 22ft CLX a 30ft SLX and a superlite all great poles but I would definately agree I dont particuarly like the hose.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

SPE

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2010, 11:07:44 pm »
I think gardiners are a great company i have a 22ft CLX a 30ft SLX and a superlite all great poles but I would definately agree I dont particuarly like the hose.
its a niggle, easily replaced for something better but why should we when we've spent enough money ? maybe this winter has shown a weakness and gardiners will upgrade future stock with an "all season " hose

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2010, 11:15:51 pm »
hope so that would be good.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2010, 12:35:21 am »
slx is the dogs m8 ;D ;D
LET YOUR PANES BE MY PLEASURE

"If CALSBERG did WINDOW CLEANING
 it would be C.C.C  Probably the best WINDOW CLEANERS IN THE WORLD ..........."

Mike #1

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2010, 07:40:08 am »
as for the hose change it,  No matter which pole i have bought i always have a coil of streamline lite-5 pole hose so i can fit it to the new pole i wont use any other pole hose you can buy it from varitech , as for xtel hybrid pole SPE  you have been lucky i had to chuck mine after 12 months sections worn beyond use and got sick of changing clamps , Also as for gardiners brushes  i used them for over 2 yrs now find them better than vikan brushes  bristles to soft to shift bird muck IMO  , when you order any pole try and get them without pole hose and get them to knock something off the price

Dave Willis

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2010, 09:47:25 am »
Streamline lite 5 hose?
Anyone else sell this? I have gone from Gardiners yellow to Wintecs black and neither work in the cold weather.

I have all Gardiners kit and have issues with wear on the expensive carbon products. Seems to be a fact of life - two tubes rubbing inside each other are bound to wear. Clamps coming unstuck might be due to collapsing the pole too fast - most glues will break apart on impact.


Alex Allen

Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2010, 12:39:50 pm »
do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?

i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean

all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p

You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.

I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)

thats not a nice thing to say winproclean
nothing to do with aerail i use the brush, thats it

im not telling you or any one to buy it, am i
the superlite is a cheap brush the aerial isnt thats a fair comment
ive tried then both, they both clean
but the aerial brush is far superior in everyway

personally i dont think you can compare the two brushes
the aerial brush is a window cleaning brush the superlite isnt (imo)

no hard feelings mate, have a nice christmas  :)


♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: 1st day using my Cl-X
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2010, 12:48:55 pm »
do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?

i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean

all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p

You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.

I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)

thats not a nice thing to say winproclean
nothing to do with aerail i use the brush, thats it

im not telling you or any one to buy it, am i
the superlite is a cheap brush the aerial isnt thats a fair commentive tried then both, they both clean
but the aerial brush is far superior in everyway

personally i dont think you can compare the two brushes
the aerial brush is a window cleaning brush the superlite isnt (imo)

no hard feelings mate, have a nice christmas  :)



The super lites are more expensive to manufacture than both Vikan & Pro-window brushes- That's a fact which I know!

And, you are indeed telling people to buy Aerial brushes, many times over ???

The SL brushes are NOT cheap, they are designed specifically for a purpose- to be light & effective.

I would try the Aerial brush if it didn't look so ridiculously over the top with extreme splay. If they made a version with less splay I might be tempted.

Merry xmas ;)