[LWC]

Im having chats with someone about working with me. Hes had enough of his job, he has amazing drive and is very determined.

Ive had a pretty rubbish year in all fairness, still earnt me money etc but lost interest, 3 years ago i was on fire.

We've had chats etc, ive got loads of leaflets i was going to give out when i was on fire then lost interest, 5 people basically messed me about working for me and completly shattered dreams and ambitions. But never mind about that.

Ive got a different feeling about this chap, he WANTS to go out and canvass work etc, he came to me WANTING to clean windows, not asking for a random job to pass time. Hes relit my fire and hasnt even started yet, last few weeks with the freeze in my usual state of mind i wouldve said stuff it but made myself get out there and felt all the more better for it.

Hes got bigger and better plans like i did but have told him we need to walk first etc.

Do you think its a good idea cause ive made a hash of it in the past so many times? Im thinking to pay him well and keep hold of this one. Money talks

[P @ F]

I just had a string of fools shatter my plans too , thing is i was fair , gave min wage but there was big bonuses for good days , still i got kicked in the teeth , my expirience shows me that fools cannot be relied upon , but at the other end of the scale you i would think have to be wary too , if they are too on the ball , then it could be bad for you , i have heard of people getting in with the customers, saving there money , dropping you in it and low and behold turning up with a van and taking half your round with them , remember we are in tougher than usual times and its crazy what some customers will do to save a few quid .

Rich

[LWC]

Ive seen a couple of your posts p@f, do you have msn?

I was thinking having him with me, and then working out a %, this way he'll want to work more, and ill get more and give me that push again

[JSMC]

matt add me to msn as my other accout got locke dby MSN seemingly it was being use dfor sending spam out and i haven't bothered to go through having to open it again mate

jsmca74@googlemail.com

[LWC]

Added mate

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

r u busy up in oswestry ways m8

[Ola Normann]

Just be a bit careful on what you promise.

I had a guy like that a year ago, that I got more in how the business work.
Now the last month I really had to work to get rid of him.
You can get problems with him knowing to much of the business, and then face two problems:
1. Starts for him self, because he see how to run a business.
2. Takes cust. from you, this is especial important if you have big commercial contracts.

If you go though something like this, write a really good and detailed contract with him. That covers you in many ways.

I did that, and I am really happy about it!

I have learned from some other in the business here, have a lot of family members that have warned of many dangers of how you hire.

What I am currently only looking for, is people that are on the "low level IQ" or are a bit "special" but know how to work, come to work on time, and not be a guy that are always sick.

What I have seen on my familes companies is that these kind of people can stick with you all their life. They have had some people in over 30 years, and most of these guys are in this category.

People with too much motivation can easily start their own company in mine point of view.

[JSMC]

Just be a bit careful on what you promise.

I had a guy like that a year ago, that I got more in how the business work.
Now the last month I really had to work to get rid of him.
You can get problems with him knowing to much of the business, and then face two problems:
1. Starts for him self, because he see how to run a business.
2. Takes cust. from you, this is especial important if you have big commercial contracts.

If you go though something like this, write a really good and detailed contract with him. That covers you in many ways.

I did that, and I am really happy about it!

I have learned from some other in the business here, have a lot of family members that have warned of many dangers of how you hire.

What I am currently only looking for, is people that are on the "low level IQ" or are a bit "special" but know how to work, come to work on time, and not be a guy that are always sick.

What I have seen on my familes companies is that these kind of people can stick with you all their life. They have had some people in over 30 years, and most of these guys are in this category.

People with too much motivation can easily start their own company in mine point of view.

so you fear people with intelligence? jesus mate have a word with yersel LOL. a very insecure way to live

[brianbarber]

A very good friend in the plumbing game likes to refer to good employees as drones,
Not disrespectful but just a way of describing a guy that wants to come to work, work ,get paid at end of week with no responsibilities.

MrB

[Ola Normann]

JSMC:

A too intelligent person would not work as a window cleaner as a employee in my mind.
They would probably find another profession, or run a company them self.

Well, that's at least how I see it

[darren clarke]

JSMC:

A too intelligent person would not work as a window cleaner as a employee in my mind.
They would probably find another profession, or run a company them self.

Well, that's at least how I see it

u either have to pay them a stupid high wage, or get some one who cant work for them selves

[LWC]

Ola you dont by any chance have a copy of your contract i could have a look see over please?

I understand what your saying. But if business pushes forward in direction i want it to go good wages well be well worth it imo

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

do u do a lot in oswestry m8

[LWC]

do u do a lot in oswestry m8

Yeh mate, replied in other thread, why you keep asking lol

[Tom White]

Im having chats with someone about working with me. Hes had enough of his job, he has amazing drive and is very determined.

I don't want to appear negative, but a year of hard graft (if he lasts that long) may knock all that drive and determination out of him.

I once sold a wadge of work to a n00b whom I met through this forum.  This guy was successful at his employed occupation, but wanted to work for himself.  He took out a huge bank loan, bought a lot of work, van, and employed his best mate.

He had big ideas and a lot of drive.

He lasted about four months, jacked it all in, and went back to his old job.

[dazmond]

JSMC:

A too intelligent person would not work as a window cleaner as a employee in my mind.
They would probably find another profession, or run a company them self.

Well, that's at least how I see it

spot on ola!the best workers i ever had were a bit thick with not too many ideas above their station.too daft to start up on their own but loyal and worked pretty hard.problem is working with them!not much company!i prefer to work on my own these days!

sensai LWC i would NOT employ this guy!he could be a threat!you need to look why you have nt the motivation to kick on and improve!dont rely on anyone else!!

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

do u do a lot in oswestry m8

Yeh mate, replied in other thread, why you keep asking lol

damm it was going be trying for more work up
there m8 didnt wanna step on yr toes so to speak
i do sum in oswestry st martins 2

[Ola Normann]

Would like to have shared it with you, but it is in another language
Do not think that you would understand too much of it.

And I have tried as well as I can to make the contact to each person.

But here is something that I at least would have in my contract.
1. Be sure to write in his contract that everything that has with your business is confidential. Prices, customer’s relationship and so on - he is not allowed to use anything of it, in any kind of role.

2. He has 2 year "ban" after he has worked for you in an important role (as a sales leader or something) to start his own cleaning company (I think in EU rules that if you give people a type of contract like this they have to have an important role at your place, you don’t have to say that to him).  

3. He has 5 years "ban" for doing any kind of sales work with any of your customers, or of any kind of customer’s relationship that he has gotten while working for you. He cannot use any of this information in another kind of work. Like say someone tries to give him another job that has with sales and stuff. Or that hi is not allowed to share some information if he starts working at another company.

4. Installments of GPS devices could be done in the company’s cars.

There are companies that I know both the management and the employees. Some of the guys that make really good money, they always want more. And since they work on commission - and if the job is not enough paid, they do a BAD job. Thats a big problem.
Those companies are about 35 years old, and one has about 25 men, and the other about 10 men.
Same problem.
They both pay about 50% to their employees.

I will not go down that road at all.

I will give out jobs that do not have too much salary as a baseline, but bonuses for how they preform quality of work and sick days will really have much to say how much they earn.
Perhaps about 50% of what they make.

I would not promise too much, just say that in my company - you have to show over time a working spirit.
A good salesman is worth gold, and they have to be paid good as well. But he has to preform.

That was at least how I look in to matters like this.

[Steve CM]

Matt. I would be concerned about his amount of drive. all you need is someone that grafts but just gets on with it. you don't need the grandure or big ideas. Ideally you want someone that enjoys just working for a living but enjoys that you take the hassle of running your own business. Hope that makes sense.

[Dave Anderson]

Ever though about employing someone that is Autistic? there are verying levels of this condition and whilst I'm not sure about the absolute working abilities i.e own own, driving etc...

Perhaps if your looking for someone to work with you a person which Autism might be a possible solution...and we are talking about a person that would otherwise not be able to obtain employment otherwise.

Just a thought.