[Pureclean Essex Services]

is this the end of the L5, i was thinking of getting one myself after xmas, now i think i'll stick in the immersion element on a timer, heat up for around 2 hours or so, and away i go, should last the best part of the day at least, and there's no insurance issues about carrying gas bottles, result !! 

Brian.

[Lee GLS]

insulate your tank and it will keep the water warmer for longer too, think i will be going down the immersion heater route when i eventually want hotter water, it doesnt get too cold where i am and 3 fish tank heater are enough for me at the moment

[formb]

I ordered an L5 before Steve started the immersion heater thread.

I am expecting delivery any day.

Having already fitted the immersion heaters on most of the landys, I reckon I'm not going to bother with the L5.

[Lee GLS]

i cant beleive that no one did the immersion heater thing before, its so simple really,

[formb]

i cant beleive that no one did the immersion heater thing before, its so simple really,

Do'h

[John drake]

i cant beleive that no one did the immersion heater thing before, its so simple really,

If you search back, some of the DIY guys were talking about it 2 years ago.
At the time is was rubbished by people here, it then moved onto the DIYWFP forum, Matt was building a 100 L super trolley for the winter with a immersion heater in 2 years ago. Duke also did something with a backpack

Matt has spoken to a Legionnaires' disease guy and the guy has concerns about the idea, it is on the cleaning forums

[formb]

Another hot idea (Matt Bateman)

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=87339.0

[Jeff Brimble]

I dangle 600w towel rail heater rods from string into the25L containers, dont let them touch the plastic, I was a tad concerened bout using 3kw Gazz is doin a good job but was worried about the wiring.

[John Walker]

This is what works for me and might be of interest to others who use 25 litre barrels.

I load up the previous night ( I like to get in and drive straight off in the morning - I'm not a morning person    ).  I then leave a 2Kw thermostatically controlled heater ( £14 ) in the back of the van blowing toward the barrels through the night.  Doesn't use much power as the van is a small space to keep heated.   Result - warm water in all the barrles and better still - a nice warm van to get into.

I can do this easily and safely as my van is in my garage overnight.

As others have said, providing you keep the barrels covered the water stays warm for ages.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

i cant beleive that no one did the immersion heater thing before, its so simple really,

I did it a couple of years back but had no end of problems with the fuses tripping. It was then that an electician put me right on how an immersion heater should be attached to the house electrics.

There were also issues with running electricity outside that I hadn't dealt with.

What with that and the Legionnaires' problem I decided it was a bad idea.

I have expressed my concerns here but have been accused of having my head stuck up my arse.

There is a very good reason why after several years of trying the idea has been shelved.

[formb]

I just received an L5 shower unit and I must admit it looks like a quality bit of kit.

My dad is considering doing a landrover camper conversion.

Looks like it will have a shower now.  

[LWC]

Legionairres disease? How? I though that only happened on still water?

[mikecam]

Legionairres disease? How? I though that only happened on still water?

Must admit i don't understand this Legionairres thing to much. I have a storage tank in the house for household hot water, how do i go on with that?

[Stewart01]

I just received an L5 shower unit and I must admit it looks like a quality bit of kit.

My dad is considering doing a landrover camper conversion.

Looks like it will have a shower now. 

why not put it on e-bay, peter from window-tools just sold 1 on there for £190 odd quid??

[John drake]

Legionairres disease? How? I though that only happened on still water?

Must admit i don't understand this Legionairres thing to much. I have a storage tank in the house for household hot water, how do i go on with that?

Hot water tanks heats above 47 C

It is all in the F A Q on the cleaning forums

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Legionnaires

Your hot water at home will heat up to 65c+ so this is not a problem.

You will also get some reaction from the immersion heater element which will allow for algea growth.

[LWC]

"Hot water should be stored at 60OC, although this may be difficult to achieve in older hot water systems which cannot be relied upon to store all the hot water at a consistent temperature. Cold water should be stored at 25OC or less, but with very large storage tanks this may not be possible at all times of the year"

STORED STORED STORED

Stored water is what we're talking about here, our tanks are constantly moving, well mine is anyway, at least 400 litres taken out a day and 400 put back in, it always fresh.

More info ive found

"The fact that water is drawn from the base of the hot water storage cylinder, ie the point at which fresh cold water also enters the cylinder, suggests that extended periods of no flow are highly unlikely and thus deemed to be of very low or negligible risk"

This is from a solar heating company saying its not even a thought. Extended periods! EXTENDED, what 1 day lol.

Come on chaps, this really isnt a worry.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

I can worry about anything if I try hard! 

I think it's more of a problem for a holding tank then rather than the van tank.

[LWC]

Well dont worry, im not 

Youd need to store water for weeks for something to happen!

More info

70 to 80 °C (158 to 176 °F): Disinfection range
At 66 °C (151 °F): Legionellae die within 2 minutes
At 60 °C (140 °F): Legionellae die within 32 minutes
At 55 °C (131 °F): Legionellae die within 5 to 6 hours
Above 50 °C (122 °F): They can survive but do not multiply
35 to 46 °C (95 to 115 °F): Ideal growth range
20 to 50 °C (68 to 122 °F): Legionellae growth range
Below 20 °C (68 °F): Legionellae can survive but are dormant

Legionella will grow in water at temperatures from 20 to 50 °C (68 to 122 °F). However, the bacteria reproduce at the greatest rate in stagnant water at temperatures of 35 to 46 °C.


The water will be fresh, heated in morning for a couple of hours, transfered to vans and used NOT AN ISSUE

[Steven Shoreditch]

This is what you want, lads...


http://www.btowstore.com/epages/BT2789.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT2789/Products/IBC