[G Griffin]

They are Interested in the small guy, hence the joining fee, if they were just after bigger fish, the price to join would be far higher.

So you saying it`s too cheap and should be dearer, are you saying it should be for the bigger guys?

[Moderator David@stives]

No just be more stringent, if you look at any other trade association, you will see the fwc is about half the price, ie ncca, nfb,
That way there will be more money for assessments and help for window cleaners

[G Griffin]

No just be more stringent, if you look at any other trade association, you will see the fwc is about half the price, ie ncca, nfb,
That way there will be more money for assessments and help for window cleaners

You didn`t answer my question.
You advocate a higher price, which you say would deter smaller outfits. So are you saying it shouldn`t be for the small guy?

[darren clarke]

at £200, it is still a lot of money for people to spend on the off chance they might get commercial work off it, as this is what they require  plus all the other fees  safe contractos etc

there seems to be 2 types of window cleaners,  ones who join all the groups and ones that might join 1, but doesnt as happy being small

[Moderator David@stives]

Never said it shouldn't be for the small guy at all, your just trying to put words in my mouth, please read my last posts.

At present £100 is very good value in deed, I would like to see more criteria to join and in turn would cost more money.

To an average window cleaner £100 is small change

If you had a worthwhile certificate, wouldn't it be worth paying a bit more

[ronnie paton]

is it just me but dave comment were pretty disrespectful, he was saying the people that dont get the F-W-C are people who would give it a bad name??

i mean he is a moderator but comes up which such a statement that kind of says we would tarnish the reputation of the fwc.

not one person has apart from blue monkey has commented on this, if this was said by someine else the whole forum would be on is back, is this window cleaners politics?

is it cause dave is maybe doing well is has become a god??

now im not trying get a argument going but i think if you step back you will see what im saying dave

and the others who have not commented i  also think if you step back and think about it you would of commented negatively towards this statement if it was say ewan?

[Moderator David@stives]

To join the fed it is  £100 at the moment, not £200

[bobby p]

If they have 2000 members and soak them for £200 that's an annuall income of 400k.What on earth do they do with all that money?

It's a run for profit business isn't it? Who owns it?

yeh, that big money in anybodys books.

[Moderator David@stives]

Ron,  Never said that at all,  re read please. 

[ronnie paton]

Bryan

Don't worry mate, some windows would just give the fed a bad name if they were members.

this is the statement and it was said directly after a post by blue monkey i think, you know i know and everyone knows what you ment by it dave.

[Moderator David@stives]

Ok Ron

it was a Tongue in cheek dig at blue monkey, he knows me, we have met a few times, maybe. I should of put a smiley in it for you , but didn't think I had to as it was aimed just at him,

I don't always expect people to think the worst when I post.

Just ask blue

[G Griffin]

They are Interested in the small guy, hence the joining fee, if they were just after bigger fish, the price to join would be far higher.

Are you saying the cost to join is directly related to the type who would join?
Then you recommend a higher price, which would encourage bigger firms according to this logic.  

[Moderator David@stives]

Ok Ron
it was a Tongue in cheek dig at blue monkey, he knows me, we have met a few times, maybe. I should of put a smiley in it for you , but didn't think I had to as it was aimed just at him,

I don't always expect people to think the worst when I post.

Just ask blue

[Moderator David@stives]

If they were after bigger fish £400 wouldn't be unreasonable, wait until the new trade association launches.

[darren clarke]

i know what dave wrote and what ways it can be taken,  to be honest i dont really care what people say to me on here,  if dave thinks i am a poop window cleaner then that his is opinion,  i am happy doing what i am doing with my business,

if some one wants to join the fwc and go after commercial then that is up to them,  but the whole point of this forum is to exchange opinions,  to me the fwc is not for me,  if in the future it changes then it might be,    but i said new blood at the top as no disrespect to bryan,  but different ideas are comming out how the fwc can be improved, if they ask wc what they want from there fed then they might get more going, rather than people feeling that it is only for the big boys

[ronnie paton]

dave this is how i see it, you have done extremly well so well done  but you come accross arogant at times.

now remember you had your doubts about f-w-c also in the past and i think only joined because your thing failed, now you kind always big your self up on here but you also can come accross has to belittle the one man bands/smaller window cleaners

just remember 2 years ago you didnt think twice about ringing me up asking for advice/info and i was far your junior in terms of experience(been running buysiness 3years then, ubut i didnt mind though)

maybe im being to touchy today but this is how iv seen it and would expect better from a mod.

[Moderator David@stives]

Just because I am a mod doesn't mean I can't have opinions.

I have never been a wallflower or a yes man, I also have strong opinions and have never spoken anything but my mind.

I have been like that since day 1, and the day I can't be myself I will stand down.

I have helped loads of windows cleaners ,even invited them into my home, answered all there questions, shown them the ropes.

 Never been arrogant, maybe come across that way, to some, but hey ho, that's life !

[ronnie paton]

stand up and be counted than your comment was a joke and disrespectful not a opinion just a dig that if they dont follow you there not worthy.

[G Griffin]

Just because I am a mod doesn't mean I can't have opinions.

I have never been a wallflower or a yes man, I also have strong opinions and have never spoken anything but my mind.

I have been like that since day 1, and the day I can't be myself I will stand down.

I have helped loads of windows cleaners ,even invited them into my home, answered all there questions, shown them the ropes.

 Never been arrogant, maybe come across that way, to some, but hey ho, that's life !

Yeah, it does a bit.

[chopsie]

Is everyone on here on the rag this week