[chores hygiene management ltd]

hi all, can anyone advise me a bit please, ive been included on a tender for cleaning milikan carpets and the stipulation is that they are cleaned with the capture dry system, can i assume i can use a host system to do this ?

[colin thomas]

have a look at this site, it looks like it needs cleaning with granules, is miliken paper?

http://www.millikencarpet.com/Americas/Residential/Carpet/Pages/default.aspx

colin

[colin thomas]

ooops! looks like it's just a nylon/wool mix

[chores hygiene management ltd]

thanks for that colin, is it a fair assumption i can use this for milliken then ? not sure what you mean about milliken paper though ?

[expro]

The product used should be the specified product because that is what is in the  CONTRACT!!

Expro

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

A bit of a conundrum.

Miliken recommend a product called Capture, which the cynic in me would suspect is owned by them.

Cleaning with any other system could be used to negate the warranty but they would be hard pushed to include Envirodry and Host.

However if you clean with a pad or HWE you may well invalidate the warranty.

Cheers

Doug

[chores hygiene management ltd]

hi expro, thanks for that advice, im not sure what you mean though as i intend using milliken products but the initial question i asked for help with is can i run this product through a host freestyle machine, if anyone can help me specifically with this point i would be grateful, im a bit lost with all the other comments really
thanks
glenn

[garry22]

As far as I remember, Miliken sold the compound as well so I presume it has to be done with that. We used some about ten years ago.

I don't remember it being as effective as HOST compound but you do not really have a choice

[chores hygiene management ltd]

thanks for that doug, i was getting into a bit of a wilderness with the other answers, so summing up, a freestlye is up to the job using their powders ?

[chores hygiene management ltd]

Thanks Gary

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

What a load of cobblers !

They are just carpet tiles, no different to any other carpet tiles - we are the experts and we should be advising the client which system to use.

Another case of the manufacturer dictating that you should use their own product to earn more money. What good will granules be on a tile job that hasn't been cleaned in 5 years  :

[chores hygiene management ltd]

thanks for that steve, i understand reality but there aint a lot of spaces on a county council tender document for us to apply opinion unfortunately

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

I understand your predicament in terms of what cleaning system you have to use - my concern would be, what happens if that system doesn't provide the desired results.

[chores hygiene management ltd]

absolutely agree, nowt worse really but thats their choice, i have recommended all tenderers be given a test area to show results. i think they are feared of invalidating their warrenty on the carpet system

[garry22]

I had this problem with Miliken tiles in a casino about ten years ago. Fortunately, the owners were not tied into any maintenance contracts and took my advice.

Did them with a CFR machine and they came up beautifully. I would probably DF them now.

The trouble here is that the client is obviously scared to go against Miliken's "advice".

[chores hygiene management ltd]

without doubt gary, its libraries as well and they tend to have very keen admin people as a rule dont they

[garry22]

I started my working life in local government.

It is full of people who are not capable of or are too scared to be responsible for, making a decision.

I reckon only about 15% would be employable in the private sector.

You are probably flogging a dead horse even trying.

Of course you could always put in an "alternative" recommendation to them. Then again, it would probably paralyse them with fear!

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Years ago I went round the Milliken factory as the company I used to work for were a 'dealer' for Milliken and I worked in the maintenance dept, there powder was like Sherbert dip and very absorbant but a bloody nightmare to vac out, if the warranty is still intact then you may have to use Capture but if the carpet hasn't been cleaned for sometime then there won't be any warranty as it had to be cleaned from new regularly.

Shaun

[chores hygiene management ltd]

thanks shaun, i should be able to buy the capture powders i presume ?, will it be ok to run through a host freestyle though ?.

[Mark_Jubb]

Like Shaun said, the powder is somewhat finer than what you may have used in the past such as host or envirodri, at laest it was when I last saw any, quite a few years ago. At that time I worked for a company that were tendering for a job as you are now, and the problem we found, was that we couldn't buy the product in bulk amounts from the manufacturer as we weren't a registered contractor, and we couldn't become a registered contractor because "they already had enough" to service the demand.  :  We could buy the product, but only in smaller, retail type packets which made the use of the product totally uneconomic, or our tender too high. Choose your own poison.