[Dave Willis]

Can't make head nor tail of it - is it pyramid selling?


http://www.toplevelposition.com/content.asp?page_id=22

[rg1]

It's definately a pyramid

[gewindows]

Just another internet marketing ploy.

[Count Phil]

Avoid avoid avoid.

If you watch the vid through, it says everyone gets the same website offering everyone a top level position. Pyramid nonsense.

[tom2009]

No Ians alright - it's our national debt that's run like a pyramid/ponzi scheme


http://www.debtbombshell.com/bond-market.htm

The role of the bond market
The British Government borrows money by selling bonds, known as 'gilts'. These bonds are sold at regular auctions held by the UK Debt Management Office (DMO), on behalf of Her Majesty's Treasury. The term gilt is short for 'gilt-edged security' and is a reference to their perceived safety as an investment. The Government has never failed to make a repayment on a gilt.

When a gilt is sold, the Government guarantees to pay the holder a fixed interest payment every six months until the maturity date, at which point the full value of the bond is repaid. The proceeds from a gilt sale are then spent by the Government and the value of the gilt is added to our national debt.

On average, the bonds that make up our national debt need to be repaid within 15 years. With government spending so far out of control, interest on the national debt will cost over £42 billion this year. Currently we can only afford to make repayments by selling even more gilts. When run on this basis, government deficit financing is similar to an illegal Ponzi scheme.

We all need to worry and lobby our crazy mp's to get a grip before we're all done for!

[Window Washers]

It's definately a pyramid

Oh it defo has be a pyramid  :...... (sorry you guys do make me laugh sometimes) if you dont understand things how can you be sure ??


Phil, AVOID AVOID AVOID  : it is free of charge, it is harvesting, but I would not expect you to understand about that which is fine but im not going to explain that on here as will bore most people I would imagine.
type in affiliate marketing into google and have a read up if you wish also mlm, many hundreds of thousands of business's provide this worldwide


 


Dave: It is Internet Marketing,
It is a marketing ploy by them, but who knows what it is certainly not the people that have posted so far!,
It cant be a pyramid type thing though as they are illegal, and I do not do illegal business dealings. I have put my email address in because I am curious it is free so didnt cost me anything nor did I put a credit card in or anything like that.



Dave I have set up an online business which is pure and simple Marketing and helping others do better online , (I have not spoken about that on here as I have been working hard on building it up. (it is something I always had a passion for and took the steps to do it.


if anyone wants to know what I am up to or is interested in having an online business they are welcome to call me or email me there details to design@windowwashers.co.uk  tel 01480 354 615 and I will go into it more with them.



Best wishes
Ian

[Window Washers]

Didn’t think you were that naive Ian.

Why Naive Ewan?


Please explain 

[andyM]

This comment is not negatively aimed at Windowwashers.
But since pyramid schemes were made illegal there have been numerous MLM schemes cleverley disguised and touted around including High Yield Investment Programs.
Any Multi Level Marketing Program that has a stratergy of recruiting members for profit is in essence a Ponzi Pyramid Selling Scheme.

[Window Washers]

This comment is not negatively aimed at Windowwashers.
But since pyramid schemes were made illegal there have been numerous MLM schemes cleverley disguised and touted around including High Yield Investment Programs.
Any Multi Level Marketing Program that has a stratergy of recruiting members for profit is in essence a Ponzi Pyramid Selling Scheme.

Every mlm program will have a stratergy of recuiting members thats called business isnt it.

Ewan,

I find it quite clever what this company have done, and for what I want to do is a very good idea. in the days till launch I will wait, then I can make an informed choice on what I want to do, as I said it cost nothing, the details they have is my email address.


I do find this subject quite intresting. so hope it keeps getting replies.

Ian

[andyM]

Windowwashers, the reason I suspect its a Ponzi scheme is because on their website they state quite clearly that the more people you recruit the more money you will receive.
They make no mention of sales targets of a specified product or any other method by which you can increase your earning potential other than recruiting other people?
Thats not business.

[Window Washers]

Windowwashers, the reason I suspect its a Ponzi scheme is because on their website they state quite clearly that the more people you recruit the more money you will receive.
They make no mention of sales targets of a specified product or any other method by which you can increase your earning potential other than recruiting other people?
Thats not business.

it could be many different things AJM I dont know, What I do know is I do not have to do anything with the site should I not want to, I am willing to see what doors it opens if any if it doesnt I have wasted a min or two of my time adding my email address and will waste another min opting out with the email address. So I think my risk is someone limited to recieving an email, if I choose to act on the email then thats my risk and or anyones that chooses to do something wioth the information given to them.

I will wait and see, I like new things and I have an open mind to many different business ideas. I cant say anymore as I dont know any more.

Network marketing is not pyramid sales and this is more what I think it is. I am all for network marketing it opens up a massive market which I am sure your well aware of

Ian

[andyM]

Yes fair point Windowwashers 
Nothing wrong with keeping an open mind   

 

[cozy]

I like to think I know WindowWashers and what sort of person he is  (On this forum ). I always thought he was pretty levelheaded and not some sort of idiot or "Mong".

Having been in Amway many years ago, I reckon I know what to look for when new MLM things come along. A great time for such "Businesses" is during recessions and booms. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

I don't really trust MLM anymore, for different reasons, but I'll leave it at that. I'm not criticizing WW, I just suspect that this company is after information.

We run a Facebook site for the carpet cleaning side of our firm, and the amount of mails and PM's we get from others trying to spam.
Maybe the firm is after e-mails, I don't know and I don't trust firms that want me to recruit others to make money.
I had a look at the Facebook site and they posted a phone number for a phone-in for tonight. It's an American number. Is it free? They want you to phone in at least 6 minutes before the start time to ensure you get connected!!

Maybe I've missed something but here's the Facebook page. 2 people have joined it in the last 8 minutes or so.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Top-Level-Position/131606816865482?ref=ts

[Window Washers]

I like to think I know WindowWashers and what sort of person he is  (On this forum ). I always thought he was pretty levelheaded and not some sort of idiot or "Mong".

Having been in Amway many years ago, I reckon I know what to look for when new MLM things come along. A great time for such "Businesses" is during recessions and booms. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

I don't really trust MLM anymore, for different reasons, but I'll leave it at that. I'm not criticizing WW, I just suspect that this company is after information.

We run a Facebook site for the carpet cleaning side of our firm, and the amount of mails and PM's we get from others trying to spam.
Maybe the firm is after e-mails, I don't know and I don't trust firms that want me to recruit others to make money.
I had a look at the Facebook site and they posted a phone number for a phone-in for tonight. It's an American number. Is it free? They want you to phone in at least 6 minutes before the start time to ensure you get connected!!

Maybe I've missed something but here's the Facebook page. 2 people have joined it in the last 8 minutes or so.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Top-Level-Position/131606816865482?ref=ts

Hi Cozy, thanks for that  , and I tend to agree with you, I am not a mong.

I was in Amway myself about 15 years ago, I lived on a small island and it didnt work, but i loved there products and the concept of network marketing.

[rg1]

It's definately a pyramid

Oh it defo has be a pyramid  :...... (sorry you guys do make me laugh sometimes) if you dont understand things how can you be sure ??

Best wishes
Ian

Please don't patronise me Window washers.

The website states the following 'Remember, you will make money from every single person that enrolls after you'   This is a Pyramid, end of.

[Window Washers]

It's definately a pyramid

Oh it defo has be a pyramid  :...... (sorry you guys do make me laugh sometimes) if you dont understand things how can you be sure ??

Best wishes
Ian

Please don't patronise me Window washers.

The website states the following 'Remember, you will make money from every single person that enrolls after you'   This is a Pyramid, end of.

I was not patronising you at all.

it is not end of at all, because that would make you right which is not the case at all.

you are welcome to your opinion but your  sceptic which is fine im not going to try and change your mind, not everyone is the same though  end of.... 

[rg1]

If you make money from the people that sign up after you, then it is a pyramid. By their very nature, pyramids only make money for those at the very top.

Good luck 


p.s  You were patronising me with the following comment:

(sorry you guys do make me laugh sometimes) if you dont understand things how can you be sure ??

No offence taken

[Window Washers]

If you make money from the people that sign up after you, then it is a pyramid. By their very nature, pyramids only make money for those at the very top.

Good luck 


p.s  You were patronising me with the following comment:

(sorry you guys do make me laugh sometimes) if you dont understand things how can you be sure ??

No offence taken

I have not made any money from it at all as I have not paid anything, why are many people so sceptical.
If it came across as patronising i'm sorry was not meant that way, but I was being honest with what I wrote it does make me laugh.

Glad you did not take offence
, I have removed that link just so I dont have to keep talking about it, I thought there could be others that would be interested as it didnt cost anything.


Ian

[mark mann]

have done networking in past and know that pyramid selling is illegal but well structured and genuine network marketing is legal and a perfectly ethical business ......... dont believe it? ...... look at government structure, any business inc franchises, oh and not forgetting one of the biggest avon, bettwerware, even virgin do mlm on virgin makeup, its huge business and potential has enormous earnings - but like any business it takes real commitment and timer and effort.

the one advertised on post bothers me because what annoys me is why they have to be so cloak n dagger - its good and legite y not be upfront and say it as it is - as they use to say - this is the deal the crack..u in or r u out?

[Window Washers]

have done networking in past and know that pyramid selling is illegal but well structured and genuine network marketing is legal and a perfectly ethical business ......... dont believe it? ...... look at government structure, any business inc franchises, oh and not forgetting one of the biggest avon, bettwerware, even virgin do mlm on virgin makeup, its huge business and potential has enormous earnings - but like any business it takes real commitment and timer and effort.

the one advertised on post bothers me because what annoys me is why they have to be so cloak n dagger - its good and legite y not be upfront and say it as it is - as they use to say - this is the deal the crack..u in or r u out?

cloak and danger gets people talking and email address's of people they want to market to. Fair play to them