[james roffey]

I have received an email from Alltec offering 6 truckmount for sale a mix of machines and fully fitted out vans one which has only 50 hours on it, i noticed from one of the pictures it has the Joe Polish/ Alltec fasttracker stuff on the side of the van that you pay a fortune for.
I dont remember who it was but i had a conversation with a guy off this forum we were discussing the merits : of this marketing that costs a lot and means constant investing sometimes up to truckmount within a couple of years, huge investment in marketing etc.
I was asked how many of these stay the course, i did not know but it was sugested to me that they are bled dry !
It made me think, although i never considered paying someone that kind of money to tell me to leaflet 5000 a month, this advert seems to suggest that theses fastrackers have hit the buffers, i have not contacted Alltec to confirm, perhaps i should to clarify the facts but these are a lot of second hand machines for sale and they look the same as Alltec supply and fit, maybe a good buy for someone thinking of moving up to a truckmount, wish i was ready

[Geoff Jewkes]

I had the e mail too, very rare do Alltec have used machines for sale, seems kinda odd that all these have come up at once  I also found it odd when I looked at the prices £****** + VAT with the possibility of no VAT!!

[jasonl]

The 30 grand nearly new one, is that the same one which was sold by Altec a few months ago as part of a deceased estate?

[Andrew Briscoe]

I cant be on their mailing list , but i take it these are the ones

http://www.alltec.co.uk/page/1sl45/Truck_Mounted_Machines/USED_Truck_Mounts.html

Andrew

[Dave_Lee]

The 30 grand nearly new one, is that the same one which was sold by Altec a few months ago as part of a deceased estate?

No, it is a different one, that one was differently signed up and is still being used by the purchaser, Mark Pritchard.
Dave.

[from edge2edge]

Dave thats correct re Mark as i bought his steamway off him.That citroen and truckmount were very impressive indeed.Regards Alan(swindon)

[Dave_Lee]

I was asked how many of these stay the course, i did not know but it was sugested to me that they are bled dry !
It made me think, although i never considered paying someone that kind of money to tell me to leaflet 5000 a month, this advert seems to suggest that theses fastrackers have hit the buffers.

Isn't there a lot of nonsense said about the old Fast Track, and all from those that haven't done it, rumor and hearsay all of it, and not worth the words.
I am an ex Fast Tracker and I can tell anyone who is interested that no one gets bled dry. You pay for the information and marketing tools and the rest is up to the individual. There is no pushy, you must do this or that, you take it as far as you want to. You dont have to do anything it is up to you.
I only used a very small amount of the strategies that I was given, that was my choice, some follow more and to the letter, that's their choice. I am very satisfied with what the fast track did for me, with the little that I used.
Many CCs have hit the buffers in the last couple of years in particular, not only Fast Trackers, however all those that I know have done very well during that same period of time.
Dave.

[from edge2edge]

Gents the vat is a pain and although the steamway 9100lx looks like a good machine(mine has done 5900 hrs and still does the bizz and this is only 2000 so should last a very long time yet)when you add it up its almost as much as Karl wants for his most excellent pro mount 20 and that has burger all hours on it and as i have stated before is absolutely top notch.Regards Alan(swindon)

[David_Annable]

Hi

That 30k set up looks superb, personally i would struggle to finance that.

Dave

[Dave_Lee]

Its virtually the same set up as mine and if I was wanting another one and had the money I wouldn't hesitate. Some people think it is a lot of money for a TM and Van, and it would be if thats all it was, but its much more. You have to look at the WHOLE picture, everything that is included. The van for one thing is fully insulated, then fully Ply Lines and then Fully waterproofed.
Some CCs think I paid over the top for my set up when I paid £46,000. Do they not think, that I shopped around ALL the TM suppliers and compared prices for as near like for like as possible. The big problem was that no other supplier would supply a fitted van to those specifications, I know because I asked them, and when you add on some 23 optional extra's, as are included in this sale, then you have to expect to pay for them, no one would supply them for free!
Top and bottom of it is Alltec offered me the best deal and value for money, beating all the others.
Anyone remotely interested in this set up really needs to see it for real, then compare it to what other suppliers can supply. It not just about a TM and Van but the entire package.
Dave.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I couldn't afford one, must be mad we're only carpet cleaners after all.

Shaun

[elliott cleaning]

I believe Dave's viewpoint is a very fair assessment.

If you have the business & therefore the turnover as well as the profitability, an investment such as this is a realistic choice.
If on the other hand - you need to finance the majority of such a deal - then you have to question as to whether your business is as yet in that league.   Thus it might be advisible to step back from such an investment.

As for being '.....only carpet cleaners after all'     - Well, some of us are also into other things as well - such as dry cleaning & 'landlording' it

[jasonl]

For me it is not the price ( I bought a piece of kit for £125k 2 years ago)  it is the return on the investment easily achievable, and for that price  a piece of operated kit , meaning it has to be staffed to make any money, is just showing too little return for my liking.   

[elliott cleaning]

Jason
Return depends on turnover margins.   If you have those - then that sort of 'kit' allows you to do levels of business that others can't get a look in on

[Shaun_Ashmore]

ROI !!! you would get married if you wanted that

Shaun

[jasonl]

Exactly Shaun , the percentage ROI  you can achieve over say a buffer /prowler/5k van compared to 30k all the bells van , does not make sense to my business , though it might to someone.

[james roffey]

Its virtually the same set up as mine and if I was wanting another one and had the money I wouldn't hesitate. Some people think it is a lot of money for a TM and Van, and it would be if thats all it was, but its much more. You have to look at the WHOLE picture, everything that is included. The van for one thing is fully insulated, then fully Ply Lines and then Fully waterproofed.
Some CCs think I paid over the top for my set up when I paid £46,000. Do they not think, that I shopped around ALL the TM suppliers and compared prices for as near like for like as possible. The big problem was that no other supplier would supply a fitted van to those specifications, I know because I asked them, and when you add on some 23 optional extra's, as are included in this sale, then you have to expect to pay for them, no one would supply them for free!
Top and bottom of it is Alltec offered me the best deal and value for money, beating all the others.
Anyone remotely interested in this set up really needs to see it for real, then compare it to what other suppliers can supply. It not just about a TM and Van but the entire package.
Dave.

I am assuming this included a new van,  i can understand that the "extras" you always end up needing bump the price considerably, would be interested to know what most of the truckmounters on here who purchased new machines paid and what they have.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I guess it depends on what you see as ROI? what is an acceptable figure?

Shaun

[elliott cleaning]

........ does not make sense to my business , though it might to someone.

That is the crux of this issue

[jasonl]

I guess it depends on what you see as ROI? what is an acceptable figure?

Shaun

I look for 100% per year on depreciating plant and equipment 


So  30k worth of van and equipment would need to earn me £30k in a year ON TOP of what I could earn with simple kit meaning a buffer and small tools worth 3k new.  Then there are the extra costs for maintaining and fuelling the above , someone needs to have a serious amount of high paying work to make a true profit out of that machine.