[lee_dewing]

thanks for all your replies guys. 

[Nameless Drudge]

Question for drwindows?,which sill brush?,i see there is a soft and a stiff one available around the different suppliers.

My own experience and i am only at testing stage is that a seemingly gentle brush like the supalite is very good for swilling dust off windows and not much else. I think this type of brush needs hot water and a detergent to be properly effective.

I am really struggling to gain any confidence of achieving an excellent result with wfp unless i scrub for ever and a day.

An hour and 10 minutes from set up to pack up on my mothers bungalow( £5 job by her regular window cleaner traditional) . I did it the day after he had been and was slagging off his cleaning standards with  insect poope and other marks still on the windows. The supalite wasnt shifting them either unless i went at the window for bloody ages so its left me thinking unless i go at each window(especially above that i cant see up close) for a long time then i am walking away and leaving a poor result. Dont even mention `spotting` i think the only way forward with this is to get thick skinned and tell the customers its the only downside or hope for easy going partially sighted customers.

Maybe a sill brush or something as effective might help me along. 

[windiewasher]

i have the vikan one pal green and red,great much better for scrubbing and will save you lots of time!
i was slow with the superlite but now flying around with the sill!
i can do a semi with conservatory in 10-15 mins easy!using half the water too and achieveing great results!

Question for drwindows?,which sill brush?,i see there is a soft and a stiff one available around the different suppliers.

My own experience and i am only at testing stage is that a seemingly gentle brush like the supalite is very good for swilling dust off windows and not much else. I think this type of brush needs hot water and a detergent to be properly effective.

I am really struggling to gain any confidence of achieving an excellent result with wfp unless i scrub for ever and a day.

An hour and 10 minutes from set up to pack up on my mothers bungalow( £5 job by her regular window cleaner traditional) . I did it the day after he had been and was slagging off his cleaning standards with  insect poope and other marks still on the windows. The supalite wasnt shifting them either unless i went at the window for bloody ages so its left me thinking unless i go at each window(especially above that i cant see up close) for a long time then i am walking away and leaving a poor result. Dont even mention `spotting` i think the only way forward with this is to get thick skinned and tell the customers its the only downside or hope for easy going partially sighted customers.

Maybe a sill brush or something as effective might help me along. 

[Nameless Drudge]

Thank you for the reply and just to be fair i could envisage doing it in 20 mins(after a long first clean) with a good brush that removes sun-dried insect muck with a few passes. ALSO the trad guy should be charging her £6.50 if not £7 as there is a small glass lean to/conservatory to one side.

[Window Washers]

I would not waste my money on the super lite brushes available at the moment, if duel trim they are (poor), saying that Alex is meant to be bringing back the brush that was the best (imo) that hes made, the stiffer about 2 back duel trim (Alex change the type or mark on brushes its very annoying ordering what you think is good older one I have is fantastic, best brush ever, I prey this is what comes back, I will replace every poles brushes..

at the mo 5 out of 10 on duel trimed flocked

Ian

[Mike #1]

used both mk1 and mk2 dual trim unflocked recently had a couple of complaints with mk2 not shifting some bird muck properly even after scrubbing windows for a few minutes it was still their very faint had to go in custys house to view upstairs windows had to get ladder and clean windows trad  , also i dont think they clean the sills all that well looking at my own and the ones i had to clean trad will be looking to switch unfortunately used gardiners for 2 yrs now

[the bfg]

I tried the superlite brush back in July but changed back over to Ionics double trim as the superlite although light was also light weight in the cleaning department and taking double the time and water to clean bird/spider/fly muck

its now in the back of the van and I'm sure sometime in the future I might just try it out again,  maybe in the cold weather when there is no bird /spider poo on the glass

then again naaaa I'll stick with what I'm using now plus my trusty Vikan

[Dave Willis]

Depends on what kind of work you do really, the original brushes had very little or no splay which is good for accuracy but makes them rather unstable when fifty feet away, the recent splayed models are far better for the high stuff. I've never had a problem with quality apart from one black flocked dual trim that was sourced from another supplier. I suspect this one is from a batch of seconds that Gardiners produced and sold for half price when they discovered they were substandard.
Best thing to do is contact Gardiners and complain if you are not happy instead of chucking it on the office floor and bleating about it on the forum. I'm sure they would bend over backwards to set things right.
The flocked in my opinion is the best for stubborn stains and conservatory roofs whilst the dualtrim mono is the fastest for maintenance cleans. Buy both then your covered.

[Mike #1]

been looking at pro window brushes on cleaning spot dont think they will fit on gardiners gooseneck but they do have a salmon 12" dual trim brush with german thread weighing 440g any one used this brush looks good for £11.00 without jets as will fit my own

[andyM]

For me I find a good mono brush hard to beat for really filthy 1st cleans.
I use a vikan flocked sill brush the majority of the time but sometimes it cannot remove baked on bird crap etc.
This is why you need more than 1 brush.

[Window Washers]

Depends on what kind of work you do really, the original brushes had very little or no splay which is good for accuracy but makes them rather unstable when fifty feet away, the recent splayed models are far better for the high stuff. I've never had a problem with quality apart from one black flocked dual trim that was sourced from another supplier. I suspect this one is from a batch of seconds that Gardiners produced and sold for half price when they discovered they were substandard.
Best thing to do is contact Gardiners and complain if you are not happy instead of chucking it on the office floor and bleating about it on the forum. I'm sure they would bend over backwards to set things right.
The flocked in my opinion is the best for stubborn stains and conservatory roofs whilst the dualtrim mono is the fastest for maintenance cleans. Buy both then your covered.

I have contacted them Dave, they are bringing back an older brush, I hope its the one I had before.

[Dave Willis]

Good man - what was wrong with your recent brushes? My odd one seems to kink the bristles somehow - they are pointing all over the place, can't seem to get it to 'glide' over the glass it just clings. Can't complain too much 'cos it came from someone else. 

[Lee GLS]

sorry to hijack, but what is the differance between a duel trim and a normal brush, new to wfp and looking to go over to it soon

[davids3511]

Superlite or the Pro window dual trim - niether scratch/damage sills

Darran

That's not true. I have used a SL DT for wellover a year and it does scratch sills just like any other brush. The ware rate is much higher than others too.

[davids3511]

Good man - what was wrong with your recent brushes? My odd one seems to kink the bristles somehow - they are pointing all over the place, can't seem to get it to 'glide' over the glass it just clings. Can't complain too much 'cos it came from someone else. 

Is thaty a black flocked dual trim? If so it sounds like the problem I had, the brush would stick to the glass if at an angle over an extention or conservatory, wouldn't glide at all. It was a bad brush from a bad batch, Alex replaced it FOC for me.

[Dave Willis]

Yer it pushes and pulls ok but doesn't want to go sideways if you see what I mean. Most odd.
I have several superlights and all the rest have been brilliant.

[davids3511]

Yer it pushes and pulls ok but doesn't want to go sideways if you see what I mean. Most odd.
I have several superlights and all the rest have been brilliant.

Drop Alex an email, he is usually on the ball sorting out problems. I love the superlights too, it's just that they seem to be lasting a shorter amount of time with each new one I buy. Maybe I am too rough with them.

[rg1]

Yer it pushes and pulls ok but doesn't want to go sideways if you see what I mean. Most odd.
I have several superlights and all the rest have been brilliant.

Drop Alex an email, he is usually on the ball sorting out problems. I love the superlights too, it's just that they seem to be lasting a shorter amount of time with each new one I buy. Maybe I am too rough with them.

You are right! I got a superlite duel trim in April and use it for domestic work. It has worn to the extent that the outer bristles are almost the same length as inner ones.

At this rate, that makes it a very expensive brush.

[dazmond]

rg1 6 months for a brush doesnt sound too bad esp if you use it most days.its the lightness i like esp reaching over connies or awkward angles.it really cuts down the strain on shoulder muscles.

apparently the shoulder muscles are some of the easiest to damage and strain so it pays to use the lightest poles and brushes.

regards

dazmond

[rg1]

Dont get me wrong Dazmond, I like the superlite as well but it is an expensive brush compared to others and should last longer.

I only clean on average 6-7 houses per day cos I do gutter cleans mostly, so 5-6mths use is not particularly good in my opinion.