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Moderator David@stives

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pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« on: September 16, 2005, 11:10:02 pm »
  Re: Who Owns The pwc magazine

Current Appointments Report for: 
THE PROFESSIONAL WINDOW CLEA
 
Created: 16/09/2005 
   
Company Register Information 
Company Number: 05454390 Date of Incorporation:17/05/2005 
Company Name: THE PROFESSIONAL WINDOW CLEANER MAGAZINE LIMITED 
Registered Office:   
 MA
Company Type:  Private Limited Company   
Country of Origin:  United Kingdom   
Status:  Active   
Nature Of Business (SIC(92)): None Supplied 
Mortgage: Number of Charges:  ( 0 outstanding / 0 part satisfied / 0 satisfied)   
   
Previous Names   
No previous name information has been recorded over the last 20 years. 
   
Key Filing Dates   
   
Accounting Reference Date: 31/05   
Last Accounts Made Up To:   
Next Accounts Due: 17/03/2007   
Last Return Made Up To:   
Next Return Due: 14/06/2006   
   
Last Bulk Shareholders List: Not available   
 
   
Current Appointments 
Nu

 
   
DIRECTOR: MAWLAM, CRAIG  

 
 
 

Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2005, 11:15:20 pm »
Niiiceee
Did you use one or two hands?

Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2005, 11:16:02 pm »
copy and paste

Terry_Burrows

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2005, 11:17:30 pm »
yes the cats on the streets now,no more hide and seek,its ok philip you can come out now ;D
WWW.FASTESTWINDOWCLEANER.CO.UK
GUINNESS WORLD RECORD HOLDER
BURNING RUBBER FASTER!
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF MASTER WINDOW CLEANERS.

Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2005, 11:18:39 pm »
You cant hide nuffin these days with the net

Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2005, 11:36:44 pm »
At least it's unbiased :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Philip Hanson

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 12:07:19 am »
Hello everyone, and I apologise for my recent absence from the forum, especially when questions about the magazine are being raised.  I have been away for a few days, but I will address these issues now.

The apparent contraversy raised initially by Bryan Dolby (in, what is my opinion an attempt to divert attention from the Federation's own situation) in who actually owns Professional Window Cleaner Magazine.

When the magazine was launched back in February of this year, I made no secret of the fact that the initial stages of pubication were being supported (and funded) by the British Window Cleaning Academy.  I am very grateful to Craig Mawlam for this support, and I can tell you that without it there would simply be no magazine.

Following the launch, PWC was very well received by readers, and it's clear to me that window cleaners have been crying out for a source of information on their trade.  However, while other "general" cleaning magazines are funded entirely by advertising, the window cleaning industry is a very different animal.

Indeed, after the first issue was out, it was clear that a major restructuring of the magazine was necessary, and of course, the medium term funding of the magazine was an issue which needed attention.  I'm sure that members of the forum would be quite suprised to know just how much it costs to produce a single issue of PWC.

In view of this, The BWCA, well Craig actually, was so keen to see that the magazine was a success, that he agreed to support the magazine in its early stages beyond the first issue.  Again, I can assure everyone here that if it were not for this generous support, there would be now no magazine.

To facilitate this, a seperate publishing company was formed, "The Professional Window Cleaner Magazine Ltd" and it is the documents of this company that have been posted here, and you will notice, quite rightly, that Craig is a director.  As his funding is supporting the publishing of the magazine in these early stages,  this is appropriate, and has never been hidden.  The documents of the company have been a matter of public record for some months now, and indeed if you wanted to hide something - forming a limited company is exactly the wrong way to go about it.  Anyone can pay the £1 download fee and obtain the company documents, as rightly they should.

Although this arrangement is entirely new for the window cleaning industry, it is not at all new for magazine publishing.  Mobile Choice, for example, which is now Britian's leading Mobile Phone magazine was sponsored in its erly stages by The Link (The mobile phone shop).

The real question to ask is, does this mean that Craig Mawlam has an influence over the content of PWC?  And here is the answer:
As you might expect, you will see adverts from Ionic Systems, The BWCA and Pure2o - but you will also see adverts from direct competitors to Ionic, including Tucker Pole Systems, Outreach Systems and Clena Systems.  Aside from these, I have also invited (and continue to invite) other pole supply manufacturers to advertise, in addition to other types of supplier (for example Hand tools and Hydraulic Platforms).  I have not invited Brodex to advertise, for reasons that many on this forum will know.

When the Daily Mirror printed fake photographs of Iraqis being tortured, in the storm of contraversy that followed, it was Piers Morgan, the Mirror's editor that was held responsible, NOT the directors of Mirror Group Newspapers.  The point I'm making is that I am wholly responsible for the content of PWC, and I am the person responsible for its policies.  Readers can use their own judgement to see if it is a magazine they want to read or not, and I am very pleased to say that, though I am not perfect, it is received well, and enjoyed by those who get it.

I even referred to this arrangement in the June issue of PWC, in the editorial section, page 5:

"in order for us to continually produce a high-quality magazine, it has meant we have needed to completely restructure our publishing operation.  We are also accepting the ongoing support of The British Window Cleaning Academy"

But then, as neither Sean nor Bryan subscribe to PWC, I can understand that they would not have all the facts at their disposal.

So, as Paul Risbridger has rightly pointed out, I have made no secret of this, and the fact that Bryan and Sean have chosen to raise this issue at a time when the Federation is being criticised, in my opinion, tells you more about Bryan, Sean and the Federation than it does about PWC.

While we're on the subject of directors, I find it particularly fascinating that Sean should bring it up.  Although you, Sean, repeatedly refer to yourself as the sales director of Brodex, I have the current appointments report for Brodex Ltd in front of me, (which I have just downloaded from the Companies House website), and you are not on it.  You are not a director of Brodex, and are you aware that it is a criminal offence to claim the office of a company that you do not hold?

-Philip

PS Out of respect for Mike Boxall and this forum, if anyone has any other questions to do with the magazine, I'll be happy to answer them by email.
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

AuRavelling79

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 12:11:37 am »
Vell done gruppenfuhrer david@St. Ives!

So now we know who owns it - but does the editor have free rein to run it without interference from the owner? (Did the editor of the Daily Mirror run that without interference from owner Cap'n Bob aka Robert Maxwell?)

Oink flap! Oink flap!

What's that I hear?

OINK FLAP! OINK FLAP!

Oh, it's a flying pig.

Modified to add - this was posted at about the same time as Philip Hansons post above and hit the board before I saw his post. Other than this modification it is exactly as originally posted. (Publish and be d a m n e d)
It's a game of three halves!

Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine biased ?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 12:20:01 am »
still a good magazine though .

i have filled in 2 subscription forms for them to get in touch so i could pay .

but all i get is the version with squeegies everywhere for free.i have tried to pay a couple of times in the past.

good reply philip . i didn`t start the owner issue i just picked up on it and i like to share with my fellow posters

dave


Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2005, 12:40:10 am »
i have modified the title of this post ,as i dont want to stir things up it was meant for information purposes only as i think we should know these things when we are reading something

Philip Hanson

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2005, 01:21:03 am »
Hi David,

Sorry - that post was not aimed at yourself.  I copied and pasted it.

As I say, in fairness to Mike and his forum, I will be happy to answer any questions about PWC by email.

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

thewindowcleaner1

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2005, 03:45:13 am »
Nice reply Philip.

I really can not see the point in raising the funding of PWC I have read all three issues to date and find them both informative and intresting.If the mag needs support in the early days what's the problem?
Sports teams and other enterprises seek out sponsorship deals but it don't mean that thay are controled by the sponsors,

From what I've read on this forum there seems to be a witch hunt going on against Ionics and PWC,
Ionics are not the only WFP supplier but they seem to have a well structured bussines that goes out and chases new customers (like we do) is that wrong?
PWC to date has produced in my opinion a good easy to read information mag (better and cheaper than any I,ve recieved from the fed) so what if they are sponsored by Ionics what I,ve read to date has been sensible articles full of useful information.

Instead of this lets find the dirt I would have though it would have been in all our intrests to send constructive idea's and thoughts to PWC to help it become even better not try and trash it before its had chance to show what it can do for our trade.

Thats my rant over (baby woke,went back to sleep and left me awake with now't to do)

Alan
The secret is not doing as you like but liking what you do
www.thewindowcleaner.biz

matt

Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2005, 08:55:44 am »
my 2p

it was clear from day 1, and philip did say that the first issue was funded by ionics (or a branch)

seems PWC and ionics isnt in the "in gang" anymore

who cares if they own it or not, people seem happy with the mag, i dont read the ad's, i dont even watch ad's on TV




Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2005, 09:45:09 am »

Hi Everyone,

The reply from Philip is more than enough. At the end of the day, it does not matter who is director of what company or who is funding it.

Personally, I take my hat off to Craig at Ionics, for investing his money and supporting the magazine and giving our trade a good informative magazine.

As for Philip, keep up the good work.

Andrew

P.s. No, I have not subscribed, however I have received the free subscriptions and I will be subscribing next month.


Justin Ruggles

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2005, 09:55:32 am »
Cor you love copy and paste dont you David. Are all your posts nicked.  :o

Justin

Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2005, 10:02:12 am »
JUSTIN
No not at all have a look through my post history and you will see i have my own mind .

i have so far copied

 1) this one and that is obvious

2)  one funny car story

3) a wfp explanation letter ,which i stated i copied off the bear and modified it and gave to the group.

that is it . so are there any more snide comments mr ruggles

Sarah Sarill

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2005, 10:13:02 am »
Just to lighten things up and get back to the thread topic.............


Hi Everyone,

The reply from Philip is more than enough. At the end of the day, it does not matter who is director of what company or who is funding it.

Personally, I take my hat off to Craig at Ionics, for investing his money and supporting the magazine and giving our trade a good informative magazine.

As for Philip, keep up the good work.

Andrew

P.s. No, I have not subscribed, however I have received the free subscriptions and I will be subscribing next month.




Excellent reply from Andrew. I subscribed and have got more from it than I ever did with 4 years of window Talk.  For me as long as it drops through my letterbox and its useful who cares !!!

Sarill
Sarah

Moderator David@stives

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2005, 10:14:00 am »
I get more from this site than any magazine.

Sarah Sarill

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Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2005, 10:22:36 am »
Your not alone David.

I think most people on this site would say the same.  Its just a shame that decent thread topics descend into personal digs at people/companies.

I'm all for a good laugh and a realy good constuctive debate but one word answers directed at people/companies just because their views arn't shared is totally uncondusive to the forum.

Having said that and I repeat " I could not have taken the leap to wfp if it had not been for this site and some key people on it " so am with you on its value to us w/c's.

Hope you are healing, reagrds,
Sarill
Sarah

matt

Re: pwc magazine Who owns it ?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2005, 10:44:33 am »
Cor you love copy and paste dont you David. Are all your posts nicked.  :o

Justin

david, looks like your not in the gang either  ::) ::)