[james roffey]

Did my first bonnet clean today a large church hall  with low profile carpet,thought i would experiment a bit with the rotary and cleaning solutions, I cleaned one half with  M power  at 80/1 and hot clear water in ringer bucket,and the other half with Fusion clean 25/1 in prespray and ringer bucket
First gave it a good vac north/south /east and west then presprayed and agitated with Envirodri with the stiffer white brushes, then bonnet to finish did the hall in four sections so the prespray was still wet when i came to bonnet.
The results were very good on both, hard to tell which was better, the Fusion clean had a reallty nice smell but visually they both gave good results, i spoke to Nick who mentioned soil retardancy qualities of Fusion clean, but have to balance this with the amount of chemical used, M Power was more economical and only had to use it in the prespray to get good results, overal i was shocked at how good the bonnet was at removing stains even oily tar, i did the same carpet last year with my Ninja and was on my hands and knees with the solvent but did not bother this time, the envirodri hepled i think.
The only down side was getting the hang of the Rotary when it goes left to right its easy but when it goes right to left it really pushes against you and is hard work, still i got the job done much quicker than the last time i did this carpet with HWE, i had the caretaker watching me dont know what he made of it all i did my best to look like i was in control but felt like it was going to drag me out of the door at any moment

[clinton]

You will soon get the hang of it james,one handed soon

Like the fusion clean myself as its the nice smell and also the foaming solution so helps to know where you have spraye if you get to far infront of yourself..

[Dave Roberts]

Sounds like a great job.  I use both methods you described but when I use M-Power, I also add it to the pad bucket at 100:1.  I find it gives a slightly improved finish over using it just in the pre-spray & just water in the bucket.

I find Fusion Clean is better on carpets that may have more non-natural soil in them (gum, tar, oils, etc) and M-Power is better as an Enzyme replacement, on carpets where the soil is mainly of an organic nature.

Forgive me if I'm teaching you to suck eggs Jim, but with the Rotary.... a light down pressure on the handle makes it go left and a light upwards pressure makes it go right. Again, sorry if that's old hat to you; just couldn't tell from your post.  I remember the first time I used a rotary, I struggled to drag it left and right and lost about 6lbs in the process!     I then googled 'how to use a rotary' and learned the "Raise=Right, Lower=Left" trick.    A revelation!

As you said, agitation is a massive factor in getting good results with a rotary. There's nowt better than an Envirodri.   I also use the 'Restore Brush' from Dry Fusion on my machine and that also gives pretty phenomenal results.

Cheers,
Dave.

[garry22]

David,

I'm not sure if you use the DF machine and others.

I personally feel it is one of the best balanced machines out there.

James,

If it is dragging it may be that the carpet is drying out too quickly (the pre-spray I mean).

Garry

[james roffey]

No problem David i do understand the method though, but when i push the handle up to go left it pushes towards me as well as going in the direction i want it to i had to really lean my body into it to stop it , going in the opposite direction  is easy it drifts and does not pulll or push toward me, hope this makes sense.

Gary i did this throughout the day so dont think it is this, it's difficult to explain.

instead of it going side to side on lifting and pushing the handle 
It pushed in my direction also when only moving right to left

[Doug Holloway]

Hi James

I did a large bonnett job today using my Dry 60 system, which is basically the same equipment which you have with my own chemical mix.

I grew up with rotaries, first started using them when I was about 15.

People were watching a I cleaned using one hand , it's that easy you just have to relax and let the machine do the work.

Cheers

Doug

[clinton]

Same here with a small crowd watching and very small they were too as it was an infants nursery

[Simon Gerrard]

Well done, James.
We did a large job in a school yesterday. The first half was a modern classroom block with low profile light'ish blue carpets, ideal for LM. Using Rotobrite II, a red pad, and a suitably dunked and rung out pad cleaned an area and it looked ok so left it to dry.
The trouble was that by the time you'd Flexi5'd the area, pre-sprayed it, red padded it and then bonneted it you might just as well have pre-sprayed it and cleaned it with the TM. But, to be fair the end result looked the same so we could have LM'd at least the classrooms and got away with it.
The second half of the job was in an older building with much dirtier carpets that to me weren't suited to LM and by the prescribed method would have taken forever, whereas the TM got really old, really dirt carpet super clean without any fuss.
I've always believed that as professionals we are supposed to be equipped with the means to clean any carpet regardless of the condition we find it in and I think this case was a perfect case in point.

Simon

[Dave Roberts]

David,

I'm not sure if you use the DF machine and others.

I personally feel it is one of the best balanced machines out there.

James,

If it is dragging it may be that the carpet is drying out too quickly (the pre-spray I mean).

Garry

Hi Garry,

I have 2 x Dry Fusion Machines (one is for sale in the for sale section here!) and 1 x standard 200rpm Ruffo rotary.   The Ruffo is lighter and slightly slower RPM (Dry Fusion runs at 290rpm) and I tend to use it when using 'Fusion Clean' and 'M-Power' as they don't require the heat.

I do agree though, the DF machine is very nicely balanced and easy to control.  It could be a tad lighter for getting up stairs though! 

[Andrew Briscoe]

James, try lowring the handle, i do this and it handles much better,
i usually rest it near to my manhood(no jokes, just saying which area,it dont give me a thrill)

I am 5'10 so adjust to suit,, to high and it can feel out of control.

Andrew

[Steve. Taylor]

James first bonnet clean today

your playing up mate 

[Steve Gunn]

I have 46000sq ft to clean will be using rotobrite with d/f pads downside it costs more than nemesis but priced it into job.Everyone has their chosen chemical/method but at the end of the day it's results that count as long as the customer is happy

[james roffey]

James first bonnet clean today

your playing up mate 

  yes my first ever

[Simon Gerrard]

Steve,

Post some pictures, will you. It would be really good if someone posted a set of pictures of the step-by-step process and the end result. Don't LM'ers have cameras?

Simon

[Steve. Taylor]

Simon to be honest i would not know how to post pictures on here, but better than a picture why dont we get together next time your working in southampton. As i am only across the road from the docks in southampton. This way i can do the bonnet work you can take some pictures of me and post them on here

I can provide a copy of my insurance/ treatment risk, hard hat, high viz ,saftey shoes ect you sort out the security pass for me and i will be there. and of course some ££££

I should also point out i use a porty lm or dry foam depending on the customers needs and the job in hand.

I certainly do not claim to be any expert in anything but always try my best to get good results.
infact the only reason i have been in this game for so long is every time i drive past the job centre nothing in the window takes me fancy

I also respect the fact i would be working under your name so i would endevour to provide the best possible results regards steve.

[brencarpetman]

Did my first bonnet clean today a large church hall  with low profile carpet,thought i would experiment a bit with the rotary and cleaning solutions, I cleaned one half with  M power  at 80/1 and hot clear water in ringer bucket,and the other half with Fusion clean 25/1 in prespray and ringer bucket
First gave it a good vac north/south /east and west then presprayed and agitated with Envirodri with the stiffer white brushes, then bonnet to finish did the hall in four sections so the prespray was still wet when i came to bonnet.
The results were very good on both, hard to tell which was better, the Fusion clean had a reallty nice smell but visually they both gave good results, i spoke to Nick who mentioned soil retardancy qualities of Fusion clean, but have to balance this with the amount of chemical used, M Power was more economical and only had to use it in the prespray to get good results, overal i was shocked at how good the bonnet was at removing stains even oily tar, i did the same carpet last year with my Ninja and was on my hands and knees with the solvent but did not bother this time, the envirodri hepled i think.
The only down side was getting the hang of the Rotary when it goes left to right its easy but when it goes right to left it really pushes against you and is hard work, still i got the job done much quicker than the last time i did this carpet with HWE, i had the caretaker watching me dont know what he made of it all i did my best to look like i was in control but felt like it was going to drag me out of the door at any moment

Top man Dave thought that was an excellent post

Just what i needed to hear, got job today for hotel that want ballroom cleaning every 6-8 weeks and i gave them a price for initial clean, then price for interim cleaning using bonneting system.
Ive never done bonneting before but well used to machine but interested to hear what chemicals you used and the difference you found. Only diffenece with this job is the carpet is not low profile just regular carpet.
I have an RX20 but dont have the accesory for bonneting but I do have a  Numatic which will hopefully do the job.

best of luck with the bonneting

Brendan.
 

[paul wallace]

The first time I used a rotary I was in heaven as previous to that we have the old fashion floor buffers that were attached to broom handles  : Back in the day as a young Guardsman, never thought that I'd use them as I do now for cleaning carpets 

[Simon Gerrard]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the offer.
We can't use LM on cruise ships and as we have to stick to the specification and so any demonstration would be completely out of context.
I'm far more interested in it in commercial locations on low profile carpets etc.
Thanks anyway.

Simon

[Steve. Taylor]

No problem. simon out of curiosity why cant you use lm on cruise ships?

[jasonl]

No problem. simon out of curiosity why cant you use lm on cruise ships?

I presume because Simon told them it was crap.