[james roffey]

Just playing "Devil's advocate"

But if they are promoting products that cause damage to expensive carpets how come they have never been sued, they are a multi million pound company with lawyers, they must have a defence. probably in the smallprint but how can they legally get away with promoting these products especially in this liticious society.

[CleanerCarpets]

Who knows?!

We see what these products do - products that are suppose to form crystals and vacuum out. Well if thats the case why do we have them causing so much of a problem with foam which can literally be seen coming out of the carpet when its rinsed - even years after the product was used.

I would like to hear a reply from Steve from Woolsafe on here - we've had a reply quickly to this thread promoting their courses - can we have an explanation regarding the promotion of these products as well?? 

Steve has been online today and would of seen the replies to this thread - silence from the organisation doesnt help and adds to the speculation. Its a simple question - why does Woolsafe endorse Vanish and 1001!!??

[Neil Williams]

I would like to hear a reply from Steve from Woolsafe on here - we've had a reply quickly to this thread promoting their courses - can we have an explanation regarding the promotion of these products as well?? 

Re-arrange these two words Chance Fat
They must be aware of the damage that we report on here but never have a rational arguement to justify why they endorce it. Says it all really.

[CleanerCarpets]

i agree - but the difference now is they are registered as a member on here now and obviously allowed to reply to posts by the looks of it

i am sure there is reasoning that explains it - if we could just know what it was we would all shut up!

no point having them posting on here just to sell their courses - if thats what its about they should be up the top on a banner like the other advertisers who arent allowed to post on an independent forum, if they are posting they should be responsible to also respond to our questioning, it cant simply be one way surely?

[Neil Williams]

i agree - but the difference now is they are registered as a member on here now and obviously allowed to reply to posts by the looks of it

Well he was last logged into this site at 4.58 this afternoon, yet for whatever reason decided not to anser questions raised since yesterday

[Simon Gerrard]

I think it would be a real shame if for whatever reason the powers that be have decided to allow commercially tainted posts to mix with the views and comments of the forum community. If nothing else they should be prepared to stand their corner like the rest of us, instead of hiding when an inconvenient question gets asked.
Right, that's me banned then.

Simon

[CleanerCarpets]

my sentiments exactly

[Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)]

The quicker no carpets are made of wool the better.   The constraints, issues and poor resilience to both stains and cleaning far far outweigh any perceived 'niceness' of having a wool carpet.

A little sweeping perhaps?

Carbon based dirt-the majority of soiling(?)- comes out of wool/wool-rich carpets more easily than synthetic carpets as they arre naturally repellant of each other.
Protected wool carpets are perfectely resilient to liquid-based stains if the protector is properly applied.
You stand more chance of getting out of a house suffering from a fire, alive, which has wool carpets than synthetic carpets.
Need I go on?

Rog

[Simon Gerrard]

Just out of interest, which products do Woolsafe recommend for cleaning wool carpets these days?

Simon

[Nigel_W]

http://www.woolsafe.org/professionalproducts

Nigel

[Bob Robertson]

What I did find strange was the thread from admin  " what the delegates say" as it was a locked thread. Why  What was that all about!

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=106184.0

Bob

[Simon Gerrard]

Bob,
It's called advertising. It's a sales technique known as 'the similar situation close,' because other people are doing it therefore I should do it. End product? Bums on seats - cash in the bank.

Simon

[paul wallace]

I was thinking about going on this course but when it goes against what I tell my own customers and with no reply on here I have made a decision to invest into another part of my business.

Thanks for this thread 

[robert meldrum]

Who knows?!

We see what these products do - products that are suppose to form crystals and vacuum out. Well if thats the case why do we have them causing so much of a problem with foam which can literally be seen coming out of the carpet when its rinsed - even years after the product was used.

I would like to hear a reply from Steve from Woolsafe on here - we've had a reply quickly to this thread promoting their courses - can we have an explanation regarding the promotion of these products as well?? 

Steve has been online today and would of seen the replies to this thread - silence from the organisation doesnt help and adds to the speculation. Its a simple question - why does Woolsafe endorse Vanish and 1001!!??

[Mike Halliday]

generally vanish & 1001 are safe to use on carpets its the user that causes the problems, they don't follow the instructions and use far too much of the product.

the problem is we only  see the results of the incorrect use, what we don't see is were the product has been used successfuly ( as the spill has been removed)

[Nigel_W]

generally vanish & 1001 are safe to use on carpets its the user that causes the problems, they don't follow the instructions and use far too much of the product.

the problem is we only  see the results of the incorrect use, what we don't see is were the product has been used successfuly ( as the spill has been removed)

And then when it doesn't work they go through the contents of the kitchen cupboard trying jif,bleach etc. When you ask what did you use? " just Vanish" is always the answer.

I supply many of my clients with Woolsafe microsplitters for on site stain removal. It amazes me how often housekeepers will tell me they only used my stain remover but I am then presented with a large foamy bleached spot.

Nigel

[robert meldrum]

WoolSafe accreditation means that the product:
has been independently tested and approved for use on wool carpets and rugs, meets the highest standards of performance,
is both safe and effective,
is regularly monitored for compliance with the stands.

This is the Woolsafe statement from their site. What it does not tell you and it's " fatal flaw " is the fact that it costs several thousand pounds to gain their accreditation and there is an annual fee of several thousand pounds to remain on their list.

This allows large / high volume sellers of cleaning products to become accredited and remain on the list while lower volume producers, such as the suppliers of products to the " trade " That is Carpet Cleaners, can't afford to pay their large fees " just to be listed "

About 10 years ago I used a product for the purpose of advertising the Woolsafe aspect but the supplier quit the Woolsafe programme as he regarded it to be  total rip off and felt his company could put the money saved to better use.

[james roffey]

I have spot and stain remover that is so good it's the first thing i try amoungst the many others i carry, it's a microsplitter and i would happily bet i could pour a bottle of it on a wool carpet with no adverse affects, it's not "woolsafe" though.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I have tried to engage the Woolsafe people in a technical discusiion on the relative merits of alkalinity versus pH but they have never responded.

I believe it's a commercial organisation and as such is run as one!

Sometimes woolsafe are perceived as being a trade body, i.e non profit making but I don't believe it is.

Perhaps they can clarify?

Cheers

Doug

[Neil Williams]

Perhaps they can clarify?

You think they are going to explain their business ethics when they can't / won't explain their reasoning behind a product we know damages carpets (even if used incorrectly), yet and as stated you could drop half a litre of microsplitter on a wool carpet without any adverse effects.
Add that to the list of questions still awaiting an answer