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alansavvi

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2005, 06:51:03 pm »
hi sarill

any chance of a copy of your hard work?

alansavvi@aol.com

poleman

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2005, 07:56:54 pm »
If you are trying to win window cleaning work, from the above commercial canvassing letter, one thing that does spring to mind, "the use of ladders over a certain height" if you are trying to tell someone this there maybe think " thats ok my window cleaner only goes to 1st floor that should be safe, which in most cases is, However, Working at Height is now classed as a foot from the ground Regulation 2: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg401.pdf hope this helps in anyway.

 

poleman

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2005, 08:11:19 pm »
Could be wrong but not sure if there is "The European Health & Safety Executives"

If you our going for commercial work, something like this would stand out, to someone that works in a office, and would get bin, just on the wording alone.

Andy

Sarah Sarill

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2005, 08:34:04 pm »
Thanks for both suggestions Andy.  Thats exactly why I posted them 'more heads are better than one' and thats why it has changed since the first draft.

Im just printing the HSE guide on 'The work at Height Regulations 2005' as it will make a great reference point and of course a back up document should any potential customers want verification.


I will post an updated version of the Marketing letter for the people I have already sent one to via this thread.

Thanks Again

Sarill
Sarah

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2005, 08:38:00 pm »
if you send me one sarill ill open a new thread and pdf it for you

rosskesava

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2005, 08:58:28 pm »
Hi Sarill

You made a good point about inexperience when it comes to going for commercial work. I was seeing things from how I get work.

Offices and factories can be quite daunting. There's 3 of us who work together and the other 2 seem to shy away from offices etc and just go in to shops and I often end up canvasing everywhere else.

The interesting thing is that a lot of other window cleaners also won't go into the places I go into and a result, I can sometimes pick up a lot of work so maybe in terms of handing out letters or leaflets look for the place that is daunting to just simply cold call on and hand out literature instead (or post it).

As for starting out going for commercial work - shop windows are the easiest work to get. That is a dead simple. All I say is 'I just want to ask you one simple quick question - do you need a window cleaner?'

So maybe starting with shops is a good way to start to build confidence.

Also, I only canvass for new work when it's raining. I couldn't bear the though of not earning on days suitable for working as I'm Scottish.

It will be interesting to find out how well the letter works. I missed the obvious that any tool that helps someone to get work they wouldn't otherwise get must be worth it and anything that builds confidence must be a benifit to.

As for door knocking - I also hate it. Not because I find it hard to knock on the door but because I am not so good at being sociable and I struggle because I am too formal. One of the others I work with loves it because he can yak away to anyone in a semi social context. I find offices and companies easiest and he finds houses a doddle. The third one is incredible at organising things but will not  canvass on his own for all the tea in China. I guess it's horses for courses.



Cheers

Sarah Sarill

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2005, 09:12:13 pm »
Ross,

Can I borrow your guy for a few weeks - id love to see how successful people cope with the rejects of door knocking.  I know its my weakest business area.

My wife is in sales (having been one , trained them and ran a busy sales department) and she has given up on me !!!  I just cant seem to sound or act positively after 20 rejections. !!

Never mind, I've got it where it matters, that being a dam good w/c with all the right attitude and manners so I just suppose I am not as perfect as I thought !!!

Steve I have just mailed the revised draft thanks to Andys input. 

Really appreciate your help on posting it for me.

Sarill

Sarah

Sarah Sarill

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2005, 09:15:07 pm »
Rich,

Since you started this thread I have emailed your updated version directly as well.

Its been a long road for a simple letter hasn't it !!!

Sarill
Sarah

squeaky-clean 1

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2005, 09:17:33 pm »
hi sarill

you must be realy busy but when you get a moment i would realy apriciate a copy too

thanks Kev
Belinda
the real boss.

squeaky-clean 1

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2005, 09:26:18 pm »
sorry sarill forgot to give email dhaa!!

kevin.lovejoy@dsl.pipex.com
Belinda
the real boss.

Sarah Sarill

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2005, 09:31:16 pm »
Just done it Kevin. 

Hpe it helps.

Sarill
Sarah

rosskesava

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2005, 10:18:37 pm »
Hi Sarill again

My mate who I work with sees door knocking as being sociable and his thing is 'isn't it great to talk to people' which he often does till the cows come home.

My own veiw of those who say 'no thanks' is that I couldn't care less as all I'm doing is simply asking and people are entitled to say 'no'. I don't think in terms of how many houses I've already called on or the next house untill I'm there.

It's also a numbers game (again) in that if you call on enough people then some will say 'yes' and the 'no's' are simply a part of that process. It's the same for companies except that especially with companies, I find that I tend to think on how I could have said it better and then try that next time.

One hidden advantage of door knocking is that if you do get a job then sometimes neighbours will come out and ask you to do theirs as you have already spoken to them as you are not a complete stranger. Also in area's like that we always make a racket with the ladders so as people close by look out their windows.

I think also terminology both in terms of self talk in our heads and in spoken (or written) words matters a lot. Really people who don't want their windows cleaned aren't 'rejections' or rejecting your offer - they simply don't want or need a window cleaner.

I am constantly correcting the other two in terms of their language. The last wet day when we went canvasing it was 'why does no one anywhere down this street want a window cleaner'. It wasn't that 'no one' or 'anywhere' or anything like it- it was that most people were out and that someone told the other two to f**k off.

These things happen. No one gets more work by only calling on only acceptable nice  people where 1 in a precise set number says 'yes'.

How I started door knocking was to give myself a time limit before stopping for (dare I say it) a fAg break. Then I would knock on doors for the same amount of time again. Next rainy day I would increase the time by a few minutes. Then the next rainy day by a few more minutes and so on. To start with the hardest doors I knocked on was those after I was thoroughly fed up with getting no where. Now I simply knock on doors because from time to time - it's what I do with no real veiw of the numbers who want a w/c.

In terms of canvasing companies or offices or where ever, I say to myself 'just do it' and block out all other thoughts and walk through the door. It's the old thing of comfort zones. I think stepping outside them is a good thing and I keep that in mind because afterwards, it feels good whether I'm successfull or not.

Also, the people I speak to are just like me, a person. They are not going to kill me, or beat me up or torture me. The worst they can do is be rude or say 'no'.

Just make a point every week of calling on a set number of houses even if it's a few and increase it by one house a week. That repetitive action will give confidence and immunity to the 'no's' and often how we feel inside reflects how successfull  we are. Give it a go. You will lose nothing by trying. Then one day walk into a company and just ask.

Cheers and I hope the above helps in some way.

Ross

cd5000

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2005, 05:27:57 pm »
hi sarill
thanks for Commercial Marketing letter, can you put my name down for your
new quotation pack, can you email me

thanks
steve

twyfordcleaning@tiscali.co.uk


jonas

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2005, 12:07:14 pm »
Hi Sarill,

Could you please email me a a copy e Commercial Marketing letter and the  Testimonial Request letter .

Symbolic.company@ntlworld.com

Regards
Jonas

Craig Wilson

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2005, 12:26:22 pm »
Could you mail me a copy too please.

dossers@hotmail.com
Wilson's Window Cleaning Services

richie_tracey

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2005, 02:49:15 pm »
Could I have a copy to pretty please??
richietracey@hotmail.co.uk

Thanks

CLEANVISION

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2005, 06:38:16 pm »
please Could I have a copy email grist90@fsmail.net

timdiv

Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2005, 09:42:07 pm »
I've got to quote for some district council buildings in the new year and wouldn't mind having a look. Can you send me a copy please.

skid

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2005, 02:06:55 pm »
Hi Sarah, could I please scrounge a copy from you aswell. h_ydroclean@msn.com

Thanks in advance, Ryan

newpy

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Re: How do i get commercial work ?
« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2005, 03:52:41 pm »
Why waste your time knocking doors, when all you need to do is approach larger cleaning companies, who would like to offer window cleaning under thier umbrella of services, i do work for several property management companies, and a contract cleaning company. The work floods in from all the customers that they have on their books.
I find that price is not always the answer with larger companies, but the standard of service and insurances etc. are in place.
Just my point of view, maybe i'm like alot of others who find rejection hard to cope with! At least this way you are saving yourself alot of earning potential time.
 ;D