[dazmond]

you need trad for the windows that dont come up good with wfp.

what you gonna do leave them in a mess or get ya blade out???

learn trad and then you can call yourself a proper window cleaner like myself!

also trad is faster on some lower work without a doubt.


regards

dazmond

[Dave Anderson]

Being a mainly wfp window cleaner and still being a relative newbie I still do not see why some keep banging on with the 'you should learn trad first'....I can go weeks and weeks without dragging out a blade & mop. And then it is only for couple of windows...I would imagine that for most guys who use wfp this scenario is familiar.

Now I do not want to been seen to bash trad as of course it has a place as does the rag I wipe my pole hose with just a different tool for a different task.

The thing is...I just find those who 'bang' on about having to be a trad cleaner first to appreciate window cleaning as bit 'odd' no genuine reasons have yet to be presented...Ian Lancaster excepted but that is an absolute extreme.

I have the greatest admiration for anyone who is skilled at their job but whether you're trad, wfp, combined or still use a rag they are all just tools to do a specific task and the absence of one or some does not make someone lacking.

We are all window cleaners and whether you like it or not in my opinion you could teach anyone it.

Were not modern day gods...for too many on here get very 'Hollywood' about their business or themselves...

If trad could produce the result/money/speed that wfp does for me I would be trad but in the main it cannot...so best tool for the job...I'm just a window cleaner my job is not who I am.

Dave.

[LWC]

A customer said to me other day "i reakon all new window cleaners should start off like you did on ladders before they go getting these systems, only seems fair"

LOL

[dazmond]

im just baffled how you wfp guys think that the pole is quicker on lower windows!certainly not in cramped spaces etc.i find trad much easier and quicker on a lot of lower work as ive had plenty of practice and im not using the ridiculous amount of water to get them clean!!

wfp is king on large houses top and bottoms with easy access and all upper windows on all properties.but too cumbersome and messy on small domestics downstairs work.

a lot easier to use a bottle on a belt with  a bucket on a belt!!

[cat9921]

TBH i am not overly impressed with WFP. on my work i am never overly confident with it. on some jobs no matter how many times you use it it is useless.

he he he  

Sorry but post like this make me smile   < -----you see

people say that there is no skill involved with WFP but they are the ones that say that wfp is not that good.. I will say it again, most windows you just brush and clean but there are some that need you to change you tactics on them  :

Let me give you an example

A friend has just changed over to WFP and he has been cleaning his own windows for the past week, Now he phoned me up and said that most have come up good but there are one or two that just keep spoting, So I go over and say to him give me 3 cleans to get them up good ( remember he has gone over them 3 or 5 times )

First time I clean all the frames, Now he said that he had done this but I like to know my self   after that I wait for the window to dry then clean the glass  :

The result was all the windows came up clean apart from one  :

Second time I just clean the glass I have just done the frame and am wondering was there still dirt driping off it. Each time I clean I am eliminating what could be the cause of the problem  

The result of the second clean still spotting  

OK I know its not the frame I know that it is not the way I am cleaning it so it has to be bad rubber from the frame

OK third clean

This time I clean the window and give it a good brush three times BUT DO NOT RINSE then I leave the window for about a minute and a half then I go back to the window and rinse But I rinse about an inch away from the top of the frame

The result

A perfect clean  

Now I know this was time consuming as a trad you could just clean then go, but next time I know what to do on this window  :

I read post after post of some one that will go over a window the same as he went over it the first time and it still not coming up   You have to change the way you clean on some windows

That tip will probably help you on some windows but not all you just need to know what to do

All the best m8

Adders

[dazmond]

couldnt be bothered with all that adders on a custys windows!!trad lowers and just hope for the best with upper windows!!

99% of them will come up good after say 3 cleans dont they??

i always rinse an inch from the top of the frame now.some times brush on or brush off (only an inch or so off the glass.

also ive been making sure frames are scrubbed and left to stop dripping before starting on the glass.

next time should be glass only and quick wipe of the sill with the brush(water off)

[LQQK]

This time I clean the window and give it a good brush three times BUT DO NOT RINSE then I leave the window for about a minute and a half then I go back to the window and rinse But I rinse about an inch away from the top of the frame

The result

A perfect clean  

Exactly.

[LQQK]

im just baffled how you wfp guys think that the pole is quicker on lower windows

When youve had more than half a handful weeks of experience Daz you'll more than likely review your opinion.


How did those fan jets go Daz?

[cat9921]

couldnt be bothered with all that adders on a custys windows!!trad lowers and just hope for the best with upper windows!!

99% of them will come up good after say 3 cleans dont they??

If you have a bottom window that gives you problems then yes trad it , But if its the upstairs windows then I would rather do that than go back to the van for my ladders  :

the point of the post was not about speed or hassle just about being more confident in WFP, If you can clean windows that give you a problem with WFP then you get more confidant with it but............................

If not then you will hate collecting and seeing all those windows that have not come up with it 


Adders 

[AuRavelling79]

A monkey can do trad.

They may not be fast at it and they may pull the squeegee across the glass in straight lines - but for the small amount of internal work that needs to be done for most wfp'ers it is perfectly acceptable.

It's like saying you've got to drive a steam locomotive before driving a diesel or electric. It's not necessary.

Now if you have huge amounts of internal work then learn a fast way to do trad. But you can soon learn to an acceptable, if slow standard within a few hours.

[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

no point being a windy if you cant use a blade theres got to be a certain element of blade work in any working windys day you cant soak every window in water

[Dave Anderson]

Weeks can go by and I'll not blade a single window...not trying to stir things up but it's just such a small part of my business...and all these blanket statements are just too funny.

So horses for courses...