[sherco]

This is just a question...Do you think new window cleaners should start trad before going wfp? Do you think they should get the knack and basic understanding of window cleaning before trying wfp? Then if they have a problem with there kit, or get it stolen or whatever at least they can continue with their work...

[Sir Squeaky]

Yep. Nothing to add to that.

[Smudger]

Ditto above

[david watts]

no if your any good like me you can just wfp evrything in sight doors gnomes the lot

[geefree]

Not if it gets stolen you cant, or breaks down.... read the post !

 

[D B Services]

You aren't a complete window cleaner if you can't do trad. WFP is OK but there are many jobs especially insides where trad is best.

Dan

[Ian Lancaster]

Come the drought order if you can't use a squeegee you'll be out of work.  After the last drought the regulations were changed so if another comes along the water companies will have much greater powers to prevent  us using our systems.  The only alternative will be to trad the work until the drought order is lifted.

And before I get shouted down, it isn't a viable option to ignore the order, it's legally enforceable so to carry on WFP after the water companies have obtained their drought order will result in prosecution and fines, just the same as if you were caught using a hose pipe to water your garden.

I'm talking about a full drought order here, not just a hose pipe ban

[AJ]

WFP is just a tool of the trade. A window cleaner should be able to use all the tools available to him, as each tool has a place.
If a carpenter has a nail gun, it doesn't mean he'll never need a hammer.

[deeege]

Are there cleaners out there that can't trad?? Seriously?
There are certain situations that I find using trad far far quicker and easier ie bungalows, small shop fronts on a main road etc.

[forestwindows]

Come the drought order if you can't use a squeegee you'll be out of work.  After the last drought the regulations were changed so if another comes along the water companies will have much greater powers to prevent  us using our systems.  The only alternative will be to trad the work until the drought order is lifted.

And before I get shouted down, it isn't a viable option to ignore the order, it's legally enforceable so to carry on WFP after the water companies have obtained their drought order will result in prosecution and fines, just the same as if you were caught using a hose pipe to water your garden.

I'm talking about a full drought order here, not just a hose pipe ban

what if your using rainwater that you stored up in anticipation of drought?

[mci services]

Are there cleaners out there that can't trad?? Seriously?
There are certain situations that I find using trad far far quicker and easier ie bungalows, small shop fronts on a main road etc.

yes you just have to read ive just picked up a small commercial and they want the insides done posts

the first thing i did when taking on an employee was teach him trad and he wasnt let near the wfp until he mastered the squeegie, then i spent time teaching the wfp methods and that surprisingly took a bit longer for him to get to grips with

[deeege]

I agree with your point about teaching squeegie first, but for the life of me can't believe it took him longer to learn wfp.

But heh...... What do I know.

[dazmond]

well im very fast trad and pretty slow wfp(for now!).i like to mix and match the two methods where it suits me!!

surely most window cleaners can go back to tradding lower windows when the cold weather/drought order comes if water is an issue!!

dazmond

[mci services]

I agree with your point about teaching squeegie first, but for the life of me can't believe it took him longer to learn wfp.

But heh...... What do I know.

that was probably my fault i made it look to easy and forgot to tell him about all the awkward things that cause problems, where i was very patient with the squeegie

[Dave Anderson]

Really....There is no 'should' about this...you can start wfp and never need to use trad ever...

Some appear to hold up the abilty to 'trad' like some sort of holy grail ability...it's just not that hard to learn...ok it takes time to become fast and tidy at it but that is with most things.

As for if your gear gets nicked..well more than likely your van or car will go as well...so spare van ?

If my van got nicked sure it would be a 'issue' but it could all be replaced easily within 4 days. Given that I have been going since 06 I have enough spares to replace everthing from my shed except a SLX-35.

Dave.

Dave

[cat9921]

Really....There is no 'should' about this...you can start wfp and never need to use trad ever...

Some appear to hold up the abilty to 'trad' like some sort of holy grail ability...it's just not that hard to learn...ok it takes time to become fast and tidy at it but that is with most things.

As for if your gear gets nicked..well more than likely your van or car will go as well...so spare van ?

If my van got nicked sure it would be a 'issue' but it could all be replaced easily within 4 days. Given that I have been going since 06 I have enough spares to replace everthing from my shed except a SLX-35.

Dave.

Dave

and for inside work  :

there is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23oBndr6ruM&feature=channel 

[Dave Anderson]

Like I said it's just not that hard...Trad on this fourm sometimes gets elevated to some sort of super human ability...it's just not.

I just do not think you need to so some sort of 'insider' approved time served scheme to clean a window with a blade and thus be accepted as a Window Cleaner.

We clean windows...and lets face it..it's an easy profession...it's not rocket science.

Dave.

[JSMC]

TBH i am not overly impressed with WFP. on my work i am never overly confident with it. on some jobs no matter how many times you use it it is useless.

[elite mike]

Really....There is no 'should' about this...you can start wfp and never need to use trad ever...



you are soooooo wrong dave

[chris@c.m.s]

Come the drought order if you can't use a squeegee you'll be out of work.  After the last drought the regulations were changed so if another comes along the water companies will have much greater powers to prevent  us using our systems.  The only alternative will be to trad the work until the drought order is lifted.

And before I get shouted down, it isn't a viable option to ignore the order, it's legally enforceable so to carry on WFP after the water companies have obtained their drought order will result in prosecution and fines, just the same as if you were caught using a hose pipe to water your garden.

I'm talking about a full drought order here, not just a hose pipe ban

Ian I've thought about what I'd rather do in that situation and it would almost be as easy to rag them using pure than to squeegee with fairy then the extra rinsing when back to WFP if that makes sense.