[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

It ain't just on here that they tell lies. Wife goes on a gardening forum and they are always coming out with rubbish bout waht they earn

[geefree]

You get my drift though , i think.

[geefree]

Thats my way of thinking too,

I sometimes sit back and think what i have achieved alone, and i do feel a little proud,

But i have worked hard to get the image i wanted, and the tone i wanted to give out,

To be more professional  than the beer money crew.

Hoping that , it would set me aside out there , from them, and also to give my customers a little more confidence in window cleaners in general.

After all, we are wandering all over their property when they are out.

Professionalism , courtesy and image are all important.

[darren clarke]

the tax man knows a average of what a wc earns,  even if you do not hand a tax return in   they till make one for you by taking some one else tax return and using it as yours so you get to pay the same tax as them

[Dave Willis]

Well, the average wage for a windowcleaner was published as £14000 a year or two ago.

Looks like I won't bother with my tax returns any more  :

[Frankybadboy]

Well, the average wage for a windowcleaner was published as £14000 a year or two ago.

Looks like I won't bother with my tax returns any more  :

i do the same thanks dave

[Dave Willis]

Couldn't find it here   http://www.careerbuilder.co.uk/Article/CB-166-Job-Search-20-Jobs-That-Pay-%c2%a320-Per-Hour/?ArticleID=166&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=66acf71e2f854688af8fd44ec1274e3b-331526609-wt-6

Must be aiming too low.

[darren clarke]

14000 grand a year isnt bad for a part time business, like a lot of us do,

[Dave Willis]

£14000 wasn't my figure.

Don't forget Ewan if you are really stupid you can try claiming for lunch breaks too.
Of course no-one is that that stupid to think that's possible are they? 

[Dave Willis]

Unfortunately me and several others I actually have to pay tax. This is because we make a fair bit of money. My van initially cost me £6500 plus tank and fittings. Now unfortunately for me my profits still exceeded the capital expenditure by a fair margin. My start up costs were in excess of £10,000. I was still employed in the print trade - £35,000 pa. and I declared an earning from my window cleaning business. Hence I had to pay a hefty amount in tax and have done ever since.
I can only assume your business turnover is so poor that you can avoid tax, either that or you are operating a £30,000 van with a bucket in the back whilst claiming you are unemployed  :

£14,000 was a figure quoted in a national newspaper (not mine). The joke was that £14000 is a very poor wage and would be fine by me if the tax man thought that was what I earnt.

[Dave Willis]

By the way, we'd all love to know how to claim for food we eat. Please explain. 

[Moderator David@stives]

I pay my window cleaners a starting salary of £13'500 rising to  £17'680 once they have gained enough experience and can go out on there own.

My best is on £21'000, but he also helps out in the office, organises the vans etc

[AuRavelling79]

By the way, we'd all love to know how to claim for food we eat. Please explain. 

Under subsistence rules - imagine that I am working a job (perhaps a school)  miles from home so that it is uneconomical to go home for lunch and that it makes sense for me to continue working through to finish a job. Or it is a summers evening and we say "look lets work thru to nine pm and push off so we don't come back tomorrow and we'll send one of the guys to get McDonalds". Or I go and buy some fish and chips to keep me and my workers going. I can claim that as subsistance.

But if I make up packed lunches for all my guys with ingredients from my weekly shop then I cannot claim that as it is pre-planned and comes from my own family weekly shopping.

Overnight stays count too and any brekkies or lunches I buy associated with them - so if I've got a two day job and stay overnight to complete it then the premier inn bill and meals can be claimed as subsistance.

The balance comes between what food and drink I take from home (not claimable) and what I buy out to "keep me going".

[Dave Willis]

  bit buggered when you have to drive home and fill the van back up with water though.

That's it then, no more sarnies for me and no tax to pay next year! Can't wait. 

[AuRavelling79]

bit buggered when you have to drive home and fill the van back up with water though.

That's it then, no more sarnies for me and no tax to pay next year! Can't wait. 

Which is why a prepared person would take a trailer with another 400L of water with him.

[Dave Willis]

I pay my window cleaners a starting salary of £13'500 rising to  £17'680 once they have gained enough experience and can go out on there own.

My best is on £21'000, but he also helps out in the office, organises the vans etc

Not a bad wage for an employee, dreadful wage for a sole trader though if you are talking gross income.

[Dave Willis]

Malc, do you do that? Pull a trailer too?

I've been looking at vans again and the set up you have with the Doblo with that little engine must be near perfect for a sole trader. Cheap tax ,cheap van superb economy and easy to park for residential work. I've looked into the larger VW Transporter vans, but for a sole trader they don't make much sense to me.
400l should be adequate - pop home lunch time to top up. Tow the rest for the bigger commercial work.

[AuRavelling79]

>Dave Willis - I have a trailer ready to put a 250L in should I win a big enough contract - but 95% of the time my 425L lasts all day. When it doesn't I go back for more.

[Spencer Priory]

The Owner of Ionic makes about £10,000 a week that’s ‘a fair bit on money’

How much does your boss pay you to post on here ?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Unfortunately me and several others I actually have to pay tax. This is because we make a fair bit of money. My van initially cost me £6500 plus tank and fittings. Now unfortunately for me my profits still exceeded the capital expenditure by a fair margin. My start up costs were in excess of £10,000. I was still employed in the print trade - £35,000 pa. and I declared an earning from my window cleaning business. Hence I had to pay a hefty amount in tax and have done ever since.
I can only assume your business turnover is so poor that you can avoid tax, either that or you are operating a £30,000 van with a bucket in the back whilst claiming you are unemployed  :

£14,000 was a figure quoted in a national newspaper (not mine). The joke was that £14000 is a very poor wage and would be fine by me if the tax man thought that was what I earnt.

It never adds up with you and like minded others, you like to make out you earn ‘a fair bit of money’ whatever that means, always ready to brag although conservatively about earnings and go on to say you business never cost you a penny to operate or build up, what a load of rubbish.  :

Yet when any one tries to post about ‘business’ you jump down there throats and make out there empire building or trying to be the next Alan Sugar.

Who do you think you are kidding; you’re a window cleaner talking to other window cleaners on a forum.

I have already posted £500 a week is not a lot of money, double that up to £1,000 a week and it still not a lot of money.

The Owner of Ionic makes about £10,000 a week that’s ‘a fair bit on money’

Bit of a silly comparison, if you go down that route then we can all think of people to whom 10k a week would be peanuts! :

1k per week is a lot of money for a sole windy with little overheads! remedial!