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wayne zabel

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Laws about cleaning up blood
« on: July 01, 2010, 06:20:22 pm »
I have been browsing another cleaning forum and came across some posts about cleaning up blood stains that basically say that this shouldn't be done as its a health and safety issue.They say that blood stained carpets should be scrapped and binned.

Can someone please clarify the situation - I have a job with a few blood stains coming up and have just quoted for another job today with some.Should I be walking from these jobs

Joe H

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 06:23:50 pm »
I dont know about laws Wayne, but I turned down a blood job the other week. A ladies husband suffering with cancer had been sick with blood in the bedroom.   You do have to be careful for yourself, and your equipment needs a thorough clean before another job. 

Colin Day

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 06:29:38 pm »
I'm with Joe on this one, I refuse to even attempt to clean blood..... It's a job for the experts!!!!

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 07:37:04 pm »
Yeah alot of diseases can be caught with blood, HIV, hepatitis a, b, c etc

I still do them tho, but charge extra! I state to the customer that extra care will be needed and extra time to disinfectant machinary after the job.

Make sure to use cold water when dealing with the blood stains and wear gloves!
Give the area a good spraying of Prochems Microsan and let it dewell for 20 minutes then HOT water extract.


Tony

derek west

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 07:40:41 pm »
persil bio, martin swears by it.

small blood stains i'm all right with but if its a mug full upwards then i'd turn it down  period, ha ha, period, sorry. laughing at my own jokes.

Jim_77

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 08:03:47 pm »
these things go in cycles.

wayne zabel

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 08:29:56 pm »
persil bio, martin swears by it.

small blood stains i'm all right with but if its a mug full upwards then i'd turn it down  period, ha ha, period, sorry. laughing at my own jokes.


Derek can you elaborate on the Persil Bio please............How do yoy apply ect ect,if you extract it does it not cause lots of foaming?

derek west

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 08:40:11 pm »
you'll have to ask martin, he mixes it in a 500ml sprayer, not sure what ratio, i just apply it neat, as for foam, truckmounts don't really have a problem with foam, not sure about porties as ive never used one, make sure its bio as thats what breaks the blood down.

Colin Day

Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 08:45:24 pm »
As long as you used defoamer you should be fine with a porty.....

Like the period gag Derek ;D ;D ;D

The Great One

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 09:06:48 pm »
Hi

You can clean it depends on area size and how much the carpet is worth, try telling a VIP customer that their £700 pSq m carpet has be be destroyed  ;D

With blood, you need to render it inert.

You need to apply a biocide like Microsan and leave to dwell for 15-20 mins to kill all the bacteria that can dwell in it, some viruses like HIV will die within a few hours outside the host body.

Hep C, as yet there is no cure and in the end you vomit up your liver  :P

With the Bio Persil, it is a biological product, it's sole purpose is to break down protein and fatty deposits, if you research it on the net you will see that bio-logical washing liquid such as persil bio actually destroys blood.

It also depends on the size of the stain, a small stain on the top can be huge underneath and adding loads of water can spread it even more (like most stains)

Spray it on the stain and let it dwell for 15 mins, then using a cold water rinse, hot water will cause protein to congeal (same as when you add an egg to a frying pan).

You will also need to decontaminate your machine, you can either use microsan or the persil again, use gloves and eye protection as the eyes are a pathway into your body.

If the person has Cancer then you need to know what medication they are taking, as with cancer they can be on Cytotoxic drugs, they are chemo drugs and are radioactive, this means their blood and your machine with also be radioactive, you really also need to know what other illnesses they have like Hepatitus AIDS, HIV, Polio etc.

The pictures are of blood on top of a rug and how large it is underneath, on the underneath picture you can see the original stain size and the spread of it.

Hope that helps

Regards

Martin 8)

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 09:11:06 pm »
Shouldn't get any foam from the washing machine powder. You'll get some from the hand wash powder tho.

I'd sugest going down the professional product route as you can smell the likes of Daz a mile off! Been there, done that, Got the red face  ::) lol

Forgot to add in my last post, a enzyme pre-spray like Enzall will eat up the blood stain like it doesn't even existence! saving you alot of time and hassle. Beats fannying about with washing up powder..

Tony

Stu.Clem

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 10:02:13 pm »
Initial plain cold water rinse extraction followed by treatment of ph6.5 to neutral microsplitter (One-step fineline upholstery MS) then plain cold water rinse - always works AMAZINGLY well for me.  Got  pics somewhere of a pure woollen carpet with a warfarin and whiskey thinned heavy blood stain from an old ladies fall  11 hours prior to my arrival, the results wers shockingly good. The blood was still moist in the main part but had dried in spots over 24" radius - all done with my little cfr pro spotter in around 25 mins - asked for my £35 min job ticket and received £50.  Dont forget P.P.E and rinse out waste tank n vac pipe.

Stu

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 10:28:39 pm »
Still like stain pro, success depends on how far into the carpet it has gone as wick backs can be common, I tend to load the job and tell the customer why, I recently did a blood job for £100 on a 12 x 12 carpet, Chemdry quoted £300 and another independant £200, I was there an hour and and got full removal and asked the customer to call me if it comes back, no phone call approx 2 weeks ago.

Shaun

wayne zabel

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 11:30:01 pm »
If you read Waynes post, he hasnt asked how you get good results cleaning blood off fabrics, he has asked the laws of doing it as a business, the question has been answered.


Hi Westy.with respect I'm still a bit confused as to whether I should be tackling blood jobs,some say walk others give good advice about getting good results.

I need all the experience I can muster and am thinking of taking th jobs as the blood is in spots as oppposed to large stains

Kinver_Clean

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2010, 03:58:10 pm »
This was around 3/4 pint blood.They put a damp towel on and I was there in an hour with the result as shown.
This was Mpower at 80-1 applied very liberally and cold. Cold plain water rinse.

Trevor
God must love stupid people---He made so many.

John Kelly

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Re: Laws about cleaning up blood
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2010, 05:03:27 pm »
Wet blood is pretty easy to extract from most carpets. Yo do need to be using a suitable sanitiser first. This needs time to dwell and kill off any nasties. Even then extreme care and full ppe needs to be taken as viruses like hepatitis can lurk in even the minutest droplet.