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Hiya guy's
Just got me new 40/40 set up,as ya sick ov hearing bout...LOL
well i deffo need a softner....tap water 500+ ppm
Iv been offered one what is 18 months old....it is ,the guy said...5th series 5600 if that makes any sense...its only £200,he paid 350 for it and got it plumbed in but never uses it....he thought it would reduce ppm in his water....
I want it to look after membrains
Offered him £175....but he wont
Does anyone have any knowlage of this water softner??? is it worth the money?
I deffo need 1,but they bit pricey arnt they???
Any recomendations will be a big help
& Any advice is much appreciated
Kindest regards
Justin

[Blue Frog Systems]

Why not get a di canister and fill it with softening salt ?

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Hiya Blue Frog Systems 
Im not sure man....not sure if thats the thing i need....but ya right...
Anyone tell us why ya need a timer controlled 1 etc....
Thanks guy's
Justin

[Blue Frog Systems]

Thought this might be of use

http://www.thecleaningwarehouse.co.uk/water-softener-kit-complete-with-salt-1093-p.asp

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HI Blue Frog Systems mate....
Iv got spar di bottles man....i cannot get my head round this man...why are folk buying water softners for hundreds.....timer controlled etc???
I tink we misssing summit here man
Nor... Thank you a lot for that Blue Frog Systems mate....
I'd be intrested to see if anyone other guy's, have the other type, to see what the diffrence is etc!!!
this is the type i was looking at man.........http://water2buy.co.uk/softeners-10/aqua-smart-290-timer-controlled-water-softener-42.html
Big diffrence in price & size..LOL ......im new to this water softner game man...

Thank you again BFS
Kindest regards
Justin

[poleman]

This is my view having a water softer!

It wont bring down the TDS! your have to get a plumber to fit it! which cost! and the running cost! time spent running around getting salt! and the purchase of the softer as well! yes it does prolong the life of the membranes but the overall cost in the long run is much the same!

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Hiya poleman dude
I was thinking the same man.......the price of the unit,plumbing it in,money on salts.....
Probaly might even be more expensive than changeing 40/40 membrain ..........

Thank you for your input man......could be saving me a lot ov time & money

Take care mate & kind regards
Justin

[Clearly Poles]

If you want a softener and have a spare DI Vessel, then why not just buy a bag of softener resin?

>>>You can Buy softener resin and granular salt from here<<<

Small bag softener resin = £12
5KG Salt = £3.99

>>Or cheaper softener resin from here<<

All you do is run water through softener just before RO like this..

Pre Filters >> Softener >> RO >>

This enables the RO to work more efficiently and prolongs membrane.



To Regenerate the Softener Resin
Once a week (depending on how much water you produce) fill a 10" filter housing with salt (approx 1KG), and run this through softener only until all salt is dissolved and rinsed through. (takes about 20 minutes).

You can use dishwasher salt granules (supermarket, Lidl, cleaning spot etc etc very cheap) but not table salt..

It goes like this:

Water in >> 10" housing with salt >>  through softener di vessel >> Waste to drain

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Hiya poleman...
Thank you for that dude....made it much clearer now man
Ya right Blue Frog Systems ,that is the softner i will use,but i have a spare di bottle plus 2 blue 10' houseings(might be better buying clear housing)??......LOL..........
Thank you man.......

Clearly poles & heard of a guy that he just runs salt through his resin softner beads & it regenerates them & hes never bought new softner crystals for 4 years now.... :oLOL
I didnt think this would be the same setup.....i'm over the moon now...
Thank you for taking the time out & making it easy to understand how the system works Clearly Poles 
Just 1 question tho guy's...how much water softner crystals will i need to fill a 11.5 ltr di  vessel??
Well 2 questions actuly...LOL....sorry...wot type crystals,also......
Take care guy's......ya helped me out no end...saved me few hundred quid....

Big up you fella's

Take care & kind regards
Justin

[Clearly Poles]

Hi M8, no worries..

In the first part of my post above there are links to sites to where you can buy softener resin  :

Here they are again:

Cleaning Spot (Scroll down) www.cleaningspot.co.uk


Or cheaper softener resin from here: www.daqua.co.uk[/u]



--- Scroll right to the bottom of the page to where it says 'softener resin'



To fill 11.5 litre bottle, you need just under that amount, say, 10 litres.


As I said, you need to run dishwasher salt through the softener resin weekly to regenerate it.

you can buy this in large quantities from cleaning spot, for example, or in 1 - 2 kg bags or boxes from supermarkets.



***Remember that only softener resin can be regenerated with salt, not normal DI resin!**

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Hiya Clearly Poles mate....
Big"THANK YOU" fella.....
I'v been into reach & wash years now & used a merin with 500+ ppm tap water & sounds like i'v suffered man..LOL!
My output from merlin was 40-50ppm ish...thats a load of resin to polish that to 000ppm dude
I'v invested in a 40/40 HF5 low pressure system,dont even need booster,& it will be nice to soften the water for the first time ever
My new 40/40 Clearly Poles  produces 12-13ppm from 500+....WOW!!!!!
I Wanna look after it man & keep them membrains from scaling up with lime etc....
Thank you for your help mate,helped me out no end
Thank you so much
Take care & Kind regards
Justin
P.S also man,how do you know all salt is gone, from di softner vessel & beads, after salt from salt houseing is gone??? or dont it matter,as long as its bout 20 mins as your last post say's??
Also do i just fill a empty 10' cartridge up with salt to flush,or do i need some kind ov filter in houseing???
Thanks again man.....ya sound dude
I'm bookmarking this thread man.....
Sorry to terrorise you dude...its just never thought about this until now :
C ya man
How much do you want for this info bud?

[traps7]

The only reason I bought an automatic water softener was because with one it's impossible to send salt through your RO membrane if you forget to change the waste hoses over like I did and wrecked my first membrane.
Mines in my garage next to my static and I also plumbed my washing machine to it which my Mrs likes for nice soft clothes!
If you've built your own system, you should be able to do a simple bit of plumbing.

[DanielUK]

Pre-filters THEN softener?  I have mine before the pre-filters.

  I shall swap it round then!

[Clearly Poles]

how do you know all salt is gone, from di softner vessel & beads, after salt from salt houseing is gone???

Keep testing the waste water TDS from softener vessel, when it reads the same as the water going in, all the salt has passed through and done it's job..

Also do i just fill a empty 10' cartridge up with salt to flush,or do i need some kind ov filter in houseing???

Yes, just fill but don't overfill it..

You don't need any filters,  but you'll need to run water through the 10" cannister backwards so that water coming into it jets straight down the middle of the cannister  and dissolves salt more quickly...

ie: use 'water in' as outlet, and the 'out' as water in (if that makes sense)

Pre-filters THEN softener?  I have mine before the pre-filters.

  I shall swap it round then!

I'm actually having second thoughts as to whether pre-filters should be first or not...? 
You might want to get a second opinion on that one, as I'm pretty sure Ionic set theirs up softener>>pre filters>>> RO   
As I say, double check this point first..

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Hiya Traps mate.....
LOL.....sorry for laughing man,but,thats the type ov thing i'd do bud.... 
So im gunna have to MAKE sure iv swapped hose over!!!!!!!
I like the sound ov the automatic system Traps mate,but i got all the bits to do the di salt setup & just spent a few quid on new 40/40 system man,missus already on me case for spending coin & being playing with RO's for weeks.....LOL
I will eventuly look at that type man,but @ the minute best option is useing di bottle etc...
Thank you for ya post Traps mate.......probaly mail ya asking plumbing advice in a couple months...LOL
Take care dude
Justin

Pre-filters THEN softener?  I have mine before the pre-filters.

  I shall swap it round then!

Hiya DanielUK mate...we'll have to watch that one then bud,eh?
Wonder who elese puts softner first.....see if clearly poles finds out...LOL???
Take care man
Justin

Hiya there Clearly Poles bud
Thank you so much fella...........
Ya answered all me questions bout that set up........
Ya sound bud
Good for others to read thred to man,i know a lot ov people read to learn,probaly never post,but i put money on it,that its helped a lot of window cleaners out there who has the same problem with hard water & dont want to spend,or carnt spend hundreds on softners
Big you up fella

I'm actually having second thoughts as to whether pre-filters should be first or not...?  Huh
You might want to get a second opinion on that one, as I'm pretty sure Ionic set theirs up softener>>pre filters>>> RO   Embarrassed
As I say, double check this point first..

HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!    LOL
I will c if anyone puts a bit ov info this way on that one clearly poles mate....LOL

Take care fella,ya sound man
Justin

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Hiya guy's....hope ya okay
Got my softner beads today........
Anyway guy's,i'v never used these before
So iv put my softner beads into my old di bottle & ran water through it....& guess what the first bit of water coming from vessel rose from 525(tap water) to 900ppm..EH!!!
i have left running for 5 minutes & it has dropped to 600ppm......
My tap water is only 525 @ the minute & coming from softner vessel is 600ppm.....
Is this normal guy's???
I dont expect the softner to drop ppm,as i'v bought it to protect the membrains a lil bit,as you can see i live in a hard water area,but on the other hand i didnt expect it to rise the ppm?
Is this right fella's
Or does it just need a good flush with tap water???
Couldnt belive it guy's...
Any help much appreciated lad's
Kindest regards
Justin
clean-n-clear windows

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Hiya guy's

Clearly Poles where you gone mate???

Thank you for all ya help mate with this...and you other guy's who posted
Verry much appreciated fella's
Ya sound...
Got it all sorted now......tap-prefilters-ro-tank-di
I started another thread about this guy's.....
Have a look,my water ppm from softner was 900ppm at first......
Have a look-http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=104128.0
I started panicking...LOL
Thank you again everyone...esp clearlypoles
Take care & kindest regards
Justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk