[lovewindows]

Right.. moved my van mount system into a shed and using a trolley system for my work at most i'm loading 10 -15   25ltr tubs per shift and my vans pretty empty , so thinking of changing it to a 4 wheel MPV or estate car and getting rid of van and family car, most of my work is local so i can easily call home if i run short of water [ it's also nice for a dinner break ] problem is the misses wont drive anything to big . any suggestions on models etc ?

[Blue Frog Systems]

I've used both estate and people carriers using 25L containers.

The estate was a pain in the ass. You won't have much space in the back once your trolley is in there. I used a saab estate on an 09 plate.

Previous to that I had a vw sharan. Though I didn't have a trolley (used a backpack) there would be enough space for 8 x 25L containers and the trolley just in the back (remove the 6th & 7th seats)

The sharan was lovely to drive. My wife even liked it even though it was a lot bigger than the escort we had before.

[AuRavelling79]

Pug 406 estate 2.0 110 HDi  - Y reg onwards.

Fantastic on fuel and only £125 road tax.

[Ian W]

Citroen Berlingo Multispace. I use one and you can get 8 containers in the boot, or the space left when the rear seats are folded. Then you can carry any other gear you need and more containers if you wish.

[Central Window Cleaners]

I used to use a VW Sharan 7 seater, was a great workhorse as the seats are all removable so becomes a van.

Make sure you get good floor protector or the vehicle will end up stinking from the water.

[formb]

Citroen Berlingo Multispace. I use one and you can get 8 containers in the boot.

Previous to that I had a vw sharan. Though I didn't have a trolley (used a backpack) there would be enough space for 8 x 25L containers and the trolley just in the back (remove the 6th & 7th seats)

Did you know that in a collision at just 30mph one of these 25L containers will be travelling towards you with the equivalent force of 625Kgs.

That's more than half a tonne.

Travelling straight towards you at 30 miles an hour.

Think on.

http://www.babyworld.co.uk/information/quiz/carseat_safety.asp Question 7.

[Ian W]

That is a good point. I am aware of the risks and tend to only use 1 or 2 containers max, as I am still mainly trad. (There are exceptions to this and I have had 8 in the car for a short journey.) I ensure that I put them in the car on the passenger side and up against the back of the seat. It will not stop them, but I can only hope it will slow them down and, if they go straight on, they won't hit me.

This is one of the problems with wfp. You take the dangers of ladders and replace it with the dangers of transportation. And I don't wish to start a wfp vs trad discussion. Even the crash testing of top end van mounts is only done at 30mph, but how many people never go above that? You can have the best system in the world in your van, but I bet it won't save your life in the event of a major shunt.

[dmlservices]

Citroen Berlingo Multispace. I use one and you can get 8 containers in the boot, or the space left when the rear seats are folded. Then you can carry any other gear you need and more containers if you wish.

i used to use one of these an 04 plate, started backpack and 25 ltr barrels , then put a 250 ltr van mount in , that could be removed quickly , so i could use as a car.

really liked it , only changed because i needed to carry more water.



daz

[formb]

This is one of the problems with wfp. You take the dangers of ladders and replace it with the dangers of transportation. And I don't wish to start a wfp vs trad discussion. Even the crash testing of top end van mounts is only done at 30mph, but how many people never go above that? You can have the best system in the world in your van, but I bet it won't save your life in the event of a major shunt.

I don't think it really matters if you are trad or WFP. If you use a vehicle that is not designed and/or fit for the job you are taking a risk.

I used to drive around with a 20l bucket and 2 short ladders directly behind me in an Escort Estate when I was trad.

Luckily I am The Stig so I was fine. 

[Ian W]

 
No vehicle is designed to carry around a big tank strapped or bolted into the loadspace. Whether it is fit for purpose is open to debate, too. If it is not crash tested at 60mph, then that is just as dangerous as containers in the boot, in my opinion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves about their safety. If it is an acceptable risk to you, then that is fine by me. 

[formb]

No vehicle is designed to carry around a big tank strapped or bolted into the loadspace. Whether it is fit for purpose is open to debate, too. If it is not crash tested at 60mph, then that is just as dangerous as containers in the boot, in my opinion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves about their safety. If it is an acceptable risk to you, then that is fine by me. 

Crash Tested at 50mph.

750l bolted via a frame to the chassis.

Designed by a structural engineer.

[formb]

No vehicle is designed to carry around a big tank strapped or bolted into the loadspace. Whether it is fit for purpose is open to debate, too. If it is not crash tested at 60mph, then that is just as dangerous as containers in the boot, in my opinion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves about their safety. If it is an acceptable risk to you, then that is fine by me. 

The driver walked out unscathed.

That Landrover is still on the road today.

No point in testing it at 60.

It only goes 50.

[Ian W]

50 top whack in a lwb series 3 is pretty good with a 750 litre tank. 

Glad the driver walked away unhurt. That is the most important thing of all.

What did he do, roll into the ditch? Just wondering how full tank was and if it was a sudden stop or gradual deceleration, too? If it was full/sudden, then I bow down to the designer. 

[formb]

50 top whack in a lwb series 3 is pretty good with a 750 litre tank. 

Goes 50 flat out with or without water. 

Glad the driver walked away unhurt. That is the most important thing of all.

Luckily he had just dropped his mum off 5 mins earlier.  She would have been toast.

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What did he do, roll into the ditch? Just wondering how full tank was and if it was a sudden stop or gradual deceleration, too? If it was full/sudden, then I bow down to the designer. 

Full tank, he went sideways round a corner (rear wheel drive + wet road + crap tyres) at 50 mph. Hit the grass verge and ploughed on into the ditch 50 - 0 in less than 2s.

[bobby p]

not many makes would survive like that l/rover did . have u  marked it in any way,a battle honour?

a few years ago on a local farm,a farm manager lost his big toe on a pickup hitch on a Ford tractor. Now the manager was a grizzly sour man,and shortly after the toe accident a pink toe was painted on the front of the tractor by the employee who had pulled the lever to operate the hitch

[formb]

not many makes would survive like that l/rover did . have u  marked it in any way,a battle honour?

No not that particular one.

We did have another which we sold, it got in 3 accidents in 2 weeks (all the same driver too, not the one from the ditch though), all three accidents resulted in the write off of the other vehicle.

We got 3 badges made up which we stuck to the driver door, he was not amused.

[lovewindows]

going a bit off post here lads  : What i wouldn't do is drive around without some form of security fastenings for the barrels, these probably wouldn't hold them in case of a serious accident, but i admit i've carried lots of heavy things in my car boot without them being properly secured , who hasn't.
Anyway i've seen loads of cars ie Zafira with a decent sized boot that can be easily made bigger by moving the seats, i just wondered if anyone did the same or could reccommend something, must admit the new Berlingo appears great for what i want but i just dont like the look of it, fascile i know but hey there you go .   

[formb]

going a bit off post here lads  : What i wouldn't do is drive around without some form of security fastenings for the barrels, these probably wouldn't hold them in case of a serious accident, but i admit i've carried lots of heavy things in my car boot without them being properly secured , who hasn't.
Anyway i've seen loads of cars ie Zafira with a decent sized boot that can be easily made bigger by moving the seats, i just wondered if anyone did the same or could reccommend something, must admit the new Berlingo appears great for what i want but i just dont like the look of it, fascile i know but hey there you go .   

Good word.

[lovewindows]

Glad you like it

[Mike #1]

get a suzuki sx4 the seats fold down then pull a cord at back and they lift up giving enough room for 8 containers and trolley no problem