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Sir Squeaky

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2005, 05:20:08 pm »
Spot on. Ho ho!!

Wasn't even a deliberate pun. :D

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2005, 05:24:30 pm »
 i doooooonntt belieeeve it !
its so nice to get some back patting for a change.

Rick

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2005, 07:03:31 pm »
wow rick ,did you stay up all night writing that one .

lol i do this from time to time ill sit back watch the conversation unfold and may throw in the odd comment but i try to avaid these threads as best i can, but when my jaw hitts my toe's i know its time to roll up the sleves LOL......

i do a lot of website design and i know how important image is there is no getting away from that fact, and one of the biggest rules in web design in is the ballance between function and image, i can design a site now that looks 2x better than PC worlds current website but will it function as well as the current one? many failing webdesigns are pushing out these great looking sites with flashy bits of code all over em which to the normal web surfer out there looks at on the first visit and says "wow cool site" but after that it all means nothing, its what the site can do for you! so how does this tye in with W/C ?

flashy vans are just like all those flashy bits of code on websites that make you go oouuuu on the first visit but at the end of the day its how good you FUNCTION or in W/C teams how good you clean the glass, so whats the ballance in W/C?

dont look like you just been pulled off the rubish tip (this does not mean you need a "UNIFORM") speak to your customers with manners and treat them how you would expect to be treated your self and do a good job.... thats it!!!! dito!! vans and cars mean nothing...

when i speak of not looking like you are a scruffy g1tt, i work in jeans and a normal t-shirt, im not going round in uniforms or tucsedos (sp), yes you will get grubby but thats the job but very little effort goes into making yourself look a little more presentable, if you decide on uniforms GREAT! go for it im not saying its a waste of money or stupid all im saying its not a MUST to be SUCCESSFULL...

i sit back and watch the world somtimes and its getting enclosed, i come on here and a lot of you are running 4 man teams with WFP with new vans and basicly are COMPANYS wich is grate and i wish you all the best of luck, but there are a hell of a lot of W/C out there that use trad method's with a old set of ladders and run around in cars that past there best but if they clean the windows well, speak to there customers in a respectable manner and dont break into every house they clean whats the difference??..

it makes me chuckle it really does, as i say i drive a 1993 astra for work, posh? no luxury? i think not, cheap to run/maintain? you bet and the more i can save on trasport and ends up im my back pocket or goes to my kids the better, i would rather buy my 4 year old daughter 4 new bikes 6 wardrobes of new cloths than lash out on a new van/ car, but thats just my opinion and i understand that, just like dave about 5 years back i used to drive a very old volvo estate and i still regreat getting rid of her, she never let me down once and they are as tough as nails,......

ive seen some of these bigger W/C work and again not knocking them at all but they will clean then collect with "hello love £6.00 please" and thats it, and i think they are missing out on one of the most interesting parts of the job, 99% of my customers know me by name and although i carnt aford to spend more than a few mins i always ask how they are getting on and they do the same, they tell me about what there holidays were like and i do the same, basicly i make friends out of em and some are very good friends one of which me and wife go out to dinner with them on a regular basis and if anything is going to sercure you work by not getting the sack its just that and not the age of your van!,

i myself have made bobo's on jobs but its near unheard of that they sac me they will make a joke out of it, i opologize and make sure it doesnt happen again and depending on the scale of the mess up i will offer a refund, if i loose any work apart from death/moving ralated situations it will be NEW jobs where i hardly know the customer...

this flashy van and i use the best in new technology cr@p is getting old, im not knocking you guys who use WFP if anything i wish ya all the best but there aint now need for this kick the smaller guy attitude and you can scream all day long on here but TIME will tell and ill bet my pension this causes reputions in future....

right im going to work now to buy me a new keyboard as this one seems to be getting a little thin on the keys :)

regards
Rick
"excuse me..... are you a window cleaner?"
"no love im a airline pilot"
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dont you just love this job?

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2005, 07:13:08 pm »
im not surprised


 .its the long distance marathon window cleaning ,typing champion 2005.

i fully agree with you and still will when i buy my new shiny posh van . ;D

you were spot on about customer relations though.here we go spots again .  ;D spots there everywhere  ;D

Rick

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2005, 07:20:40 pm »
its theses WFP guys dave they leave spots everywhere they go there a discrace to the industry  ;D



guys it was a jo.............ahhhhrrr........runs away
"excuse me..... are you a window cleaner?"
"no love im a airline pilot"
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dont you just love this job?

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2005, 07:37:21 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

i nearly chocked on my cuppa

matt

Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2005, 08:00:22 pm »
Rick

well done, a good post :)

Ive had this arguement / discussion many a time :) on this site and the other site

here is my situation

i have a wife and a 2 yr old daughter, i adore them both

i would rather spend my money on holidays / fun times / treats and such for them, than buy a WFP system made by a pro outfit

thats why i built my own :)

http://d.co.uk/

Now i could have stayed on the ladders, BUT i hated it, the risks (and dont anyone say "its risk free" ) i now have the best of both worlds, i stay on the ground all day everyday, and i didnt break the bank (i did, as i spent it on a split screen VW camper van ;), but thats for fun times)

people get so carried away with the Bull$hit they read on the net , how the image will change, the comapnies with big vans and silly uniforms will clean up (no pun) they forget the average homeowner wants clean windows at a regular time and doesnt want to pay over the odds BUT will pay good money for a good service, they dont want a Merc van parked outside looking all shiny, they dont want a tour of your van with your 3 K system installed "Oh look mrs, it even heats the water up  ::) "

they just want a polite friendly window cleaner who will do a honest days graft for a honest days buck


Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2005, 08:20:49 pm »
matt
well said mate can i use that  for another site  ;D ;D ;D ;D


matt

Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2005, 08:24:13 pm »
matt
well said mate can i use that  for another site  ;D ;D ;D ;D



you sure can, but if you become rich from it, i expect at least a packet of peanuts

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2005, 08:28:00 pm »
just saves me typing thats all as it says everything i have to say

matt

Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2005, 08:28:59 pm »
of course you can :)


Rick

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2005, 08:43:15 pm »
they dont want a tour of your van with your 3 K system installed "Oh look mrs, it even heats the water up  ::) "

well with all the money you saved from not buying a WFP you can by me a new monitor as ive just sprayed mine with tea and now its crackling at me :(

LMAO! that was just........ aaah it made my day thats all i can say lol

i agree whole heartedly with you....., i gota save that line though its a stunner LOL  :)
"excuse me..... are you a window cleaner?"
"no love im a airline pilot"
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dont you just love this job?

GRAHAM.K

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2005, 09:31:06 pm »
mmm,
were to begin. david, you said your customers expect you to turn up in a rust bucket, why is that?
Your customers love you. ??? wouldn't you rather work for money.

 rick,
I don't own any lions, cross or otherwise.(your post)
The statement"supply and demand always decreases prices" is and always will be nonsense.
There is a shortage of affordable housing in some parts of the country,in some areas an over supply. government figures show almost 100,000 properties empty.Housing units per capita has remained stable over the last 30 years.

I never tried to kick the little guy in any way.Thats exactly what i am.

I never mentioned "cowboy" you did.

Image is a problem in this industry."AS LONG AS WE DON'T BREAK INTO EVERY HOUSE" you posted, that is your perception of an average window cleaner and YOU ARE a window cleaner. :o

If you want all your customers as friends that's lovely,many other w/c 's see it from a business point of view.

I never said "flashy van" either, you did.

I never said using a squeege would mean inferior work,we use wfp and squeege's every day. wfp is another tool that lets us compete for jobs we could not go for otherwise. it seems that the people with wfp uderstand its not a"magic wand" just another tool and  yes we do leave spot free windows.

squeaky clean,
I honestly can't believe you think your customers would thihk they were been "ripped off" because you had a new van. That again is the perception of how a window cleaner should be FROM a window cleaner. fairly consistent thought pattern from you fellas.

matt,
I go on holiday and have fun times,really I do. I don't take my new van though, i take my harley instead


regards

poleman

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2005, 10:00:10 pm »
Graham...you toke the words right out of my mouth...spot on that man ;)

Andy

Roy Harding

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2005, 10:20:42 pm »
Graham no Spotting then  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Rick

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2005, 10:43:36 pm »
well well 8)

im glad you liked my post graham and we see eye to eye  ;D

if we cut the cr@p what we are trying to say is if you run a merc sprinter or a C reg escort van does this effect how successfull you are or will be? IMHO no it doesnt and same goes with WFP and trad cleaning if you think otherwise then thats your opinon...

But thats not the reason this post was started the question is will the WFP give us nasty repocutions in the future? well im not going to go through all that again but lets but this thread in safe deposit box and we will all come back 2 years from now and then we will see what our views are like....

so in short these are my views..

does the make/age or model of transport used in our line of work show how successfull you are???? > i dont think so

will the advent of the WFP give us problems in the future and damage our bussiness??? > i think it will...

i never wanted to start a war here and from what i have read here you all seem like good chaps and thats why i try to avoid such threads, you have your views i have mine but as i say time will tell.....

PS.... the lions thing is something i picked up from one of those animated films, and i have said it ever since, pretty funny if ya ever see it ;),....

regards

Rick
"excuse me..... are you a window cleaner?"
"no love im a airline pilot"
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dont you just love this job?

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2005, 12:27:41 am »
 graham google  i did not start this thread to be antagonistic .and i am not afraid of wfp you pleb ;D excuse the language as i am a bit pis sed as you know i love you to bits.

it was just a thought going through my head .

graham k

my customers expect me turn up in my rust bucket because they dont think i dont make a lot of money and feel sorry for me and pay me lots of money .i do work for money that is the whole point and the customers love me is a bonus ,makes me feel better and they stay loyal. after all i only lose  a acustomer if someone dies or they move out of the area .

why not wfp yet ? .
 i dont want to upset the status quo, sorry for knicking you line.

rick

 my sentiments entirely thats what i have been saying all along .i am not anti wfp ,but they do leave spots dont they and i am scared of giving my customers spots ,what will there husbands think when they get home.

well really they would be mad wouldnt they ,just think if it was your  wife .

as i say make love not peace

love you all

dave

Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2005, 07:54:44 am »
Your up and about early Graham,

I believe you have an unhealthy appetite for your pc and this forum, lol.

Andrew

Moderator David@stives

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2005, 10:21:13 am »
 did you wet the bed or something graham

dai

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Re: will wfp kill our trade
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2005, 10:00:13 pm »
I have just built my WFP  system and at the age of 63 I will be doing my first domestics tomorrow. The thought of it is scaring the hell out of me, Old dogs having to learn new tricks. I like working off ladders, I converted one when I started just for WC. Yes it has stablisers fitted and would proberbly comply with the new regs. That ladder has never slipped once in 12 years and I feel totally safe on it.
Why WFP then? I really believe it's the way forward. It will help me provide a better servis to my customers. I will be able to do the windows I can never get to off my ladder. If my customers want a traditional clean they can have it untill either the new regs, or my insurance company force me off the ladder. I see no evidence that the new regs are being enforced yet.
As for leaving spots, I guess I will leave a few. I have allways taken pride in my work and tried to do the best job I can.
 Lets be honest here. the jobs that I do inside and out show me that I do not do a perfect job with a sqeegy either. I don't get complaints from my customers and am frequently praised for the standard of my work. My aim with WFP is to produce work to a standard that's acceptable to my customers, no more no less.
I will cotinue doing ground floor widows by hand. If customers percieve that I am doing the job Too quickly, and that they are not getting value for money they will examine every window to look for the evidence.
Here's a challenge for any wc that thinks he's doing a perfect job. Go and clean your car windows inside and out as you would normally. Then come back on this forum and tell us that there wasn't a mark anywhere to be seen. Dai