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The Jester of Wibbly

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Hose Pipe Ban
« on: June 02, 2010, 07:05:01 am »
Just seen on the BBC news this morning that there maybe a hose pipe ban in the North East due to water shortage.

Are they having a laugh? !!  Here we go chaps!
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Londoner

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 07:17:31 am »
Buy some isopropanol, put a cup full in your tank every day. Then if there is a hosepipe ban and anyone says anything to you  you can truthfully say its not water I'm putting on the windows its isopropanol.

dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 05:33:42 pm »
hose pipe ban in 2 weeks in the north west!! :o :o :o(if it carries on like this)

just as i get my wfp set up!!! ;D ;D ;D


doesnt affect us though we can carry on cleaning due to it being a business! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D



dazmond
price higher/work harder!

stfc

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 05:55:55 pm »
i ant bothered to be honest.Im wfp ban or no ban.

Mist A Bit

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 07:00:39 pm »
any1 asks just say i harvest rain water

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 07:20:28 pm »
any1 asks just say i harvest rain water

good idea.  Put a cup worth or rain water in the tank and the statement would be true, sort of
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Klean07

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 07:49:01 pm »
hose pipe ban in 2 weeks in the north west!! :o :o :o(if it carries on like this)

just as i get my wfp set up!!! ;D ;D ;D


doesnt affect us though we can carry on cleaning due to it being a business! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D



dazmond
Yes as long as your water board know that your running a wfp business and your putting most of your water down the drain. Then I'm sure you'll be ok.
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martinsadie

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 09:00:25 pm »
hose pipe ban in 2 weeks in the north west!! :o :o :o(if it carries on like this)

just as i get my wfp set up!!! ;D ;D ;D


doesnt affect us though we can carry on cleaning due to it being a business! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D



dazmond
bet it does affect you when people are queuing at standpipes and you are spraying water all over windows  ;)

Steve_c

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 09:07:04 pm »
still doesn't affect wfp.............The 2004-2006 drought in South East England served to focus attention on the outdated nature of the 1991 Drought Direction, which sets out the circumstances under which water companies may apply for a drought order, and also the restrictions that they are able to impose.

The consultation document sets out proposed changes to current legislation and aims to gather information from interested parties on the suitability of those changes.

The British Window Cleaning Academy is actively involved in this consultation, and recognizes that the proposed changes may have an impact on the way window cleaners work in drought conditions.

However, it must be emphasized that it is not yet clear how the proposed changes would (if at all) affect window cleaners, as the proposal document does not specifically discuss the cleaning of windows by tradesmen, but only generically (ie the cleaning of windows by the householder)

The definition of window cleaning "using sprinkler, hosepipe or similar apparatus" is also the subject of some dispute, especially as to whether this definition extends to the use of water-fed poles or not.

Pure Water - A Manufactured Product
The proposal document makes clear that any restrictions apply only to water that has not been "used". Although no definition of this term is given, some useful guidance is provided;

 "Our proposals apply only to water supplied by water companies under their statutory supply duties. These supply duties are directly linked to quality criteria. The filling of a receptacle by hosepipe from the mains supply, with no intervening use, for a proscribed purpose would be a breach of any restrictions in force. However, once water supplied by a water company has been used then that water is no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"

Section 3.3.3.1 (italics ours)

According to this guidance, restrictions both present and future do not apply to water that is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied" .It is obvious that once water has passed through the treatment processes which enable it to be used for window cleaning, it too is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"

Of course, in order to make use of water for window cleaning with a water-fed pole system, a number of processes are necessary to alter the quality of the water. In fact, the production of pure water for window cleaning is in itself a "use" and in many other industries, purified water is considered a manufactured product, with mains water being simply a raw material. Since water purification is not subject to any restriction, this would be an effective defence if one were needed.

"Hosepipe Ban" to be replaced by "Discretionary Use Ban"
At present, water companies can, at their discretion, impose 'hosepipe bans' in an effort to reduce water consumption by the public. These hosepipe bans are limited in their scope by section 76 of The Water Industry Act 1991.

Put simply, by imposing a hosepipe ban water companies can restrict certain uses of water drawn from their supply network, including washing of private cars, the watering of private gardens etc. Hosepipe bans do not have any impact on window cleaning by method, including the domestic sector. This means, for example, that during a hosepipe ban a householder would not be allowed to wash their car using a hosepipe, but would be allowed to wash their windows
with a hosepipe.

There are several proposed changes to this structure which involve the replacing the 'hosepipe ban' with a more consistent 'discretionary use ban'. Under the proposal this would be much broader in its scope and restrict a wider range of activities than the 'hosepipe ban'.

Section 4.1.4 (v) of the proposal document makes clear that under the new discretionary use ban that, just like the washing of private cars, within the domestic sector window cleaning using a hosepipe will be restricted. By limiting the discretionary use ban to the domestic sector (ie use by householders, not window cleaners) this change would have no impact on the way window cleaners work. This is because window cleaners, whatever type of properties they clean, operate in the commercial, and not the domestic sector.


dazmond

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 12:09:18 am »
klean 07 ill be DI ONLY smartarse! ;) ;) so no waste water(just 300 LITRES A DAY!!) :D :D :D :D
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Gav Camm lammy 283

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 12:13:29 am »
klean 07 ill be DI ONLY smartarse! ;) ;) so no waste water(just 300 LITRES A DAY!!) :D :D :D :D
daz u nearly ready yet told u can get u a cheap 250l tank ;D
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Londoner

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 07:48:57 am »
When the last hosepipe ban was on all the hand car washes with teams of Eastern Europeans using pressure washers were allowed to stay open. I couldn't clean my own car on my own front drive but I could go down to my local car wash and pay them to do it.

Paul Coleman

Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 08:29:31 am »
When the last hosepipe ban was on all the hand car washes with teams of Eastern Europeans using pressure washers were allowed to stay open. I couldn't clean my own car on my own front drive but I could go down to my local car wash and pay them to do it.

But in the Sutton and East Surrey arera they had to import the water to do such work.  Sutton and East Surrey were the only water company to activate a drought order - though only partially.  It's hard to say for sure but I reckon WFP was only perhaps a month away from a ban.  Automated car washes were also closed down if they had no recycling facility.

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 09:10:13 am »
When the last hosepipe ban was on all the hand car washes with teams of Eastern Europeans using pressure washers were allowed to stay open. I couldn't clean my own car on my own front drive but I could go down to my local car wash and pay them to do it.


Thats because cleaning your own car doesn't give you an income.
if people can't work then the government then has to pay out in benefits.
that is why I think they allow companies to use the water on a commercial basis.




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Klean07

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 09:12:56 am »
klean 07 ill be DI ONLY smartarse! ;) ;) so no waste water(just 300 LITRES A DAY!!) :D :D :D :D
You should have nothing to worry about then mate. ;D
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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 11:18:09 am »
Hey-ho another year another discussion about hose pipe bans.

As a business it doesn't affect you. Given that they lose between 10-20% due to leaks, but they don't repair because they are too busy paying cash out to their shareholders, it would be a bit rich to make ordinary people miss out on business.

Interestingly under a ban if you have a pool you can fill it up.
You aren't allowed to water the lawn with a sprinkler, but you can wash your garden furniture with a hose on the lawn.  ;)

idealrob

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Re: Hose Pipe Ban
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 11:53:13 pm »
Just seen on the BBC news this morning that there maybe a hose pipe ban in the North East due to water shortage.

Are they having a laugh? !!  Here we go chaps!

Is it an April fools joke, they will never, repeat never be a hose pipe ban ever in the North east as we have Kielder Reservoir and it hold 200 billion litres, making it the Uk biggest, built in the 70`s to supply the large industry in the north east, which has now all nearly gone, so it a bit of a white elephant.
You get these stupid post every year, but never about the north east, and just think, if there was a ban, would fireman be banned from using hoses to put out fires. Answer NO.

idealrob