eventually bought a pair from authur at sureclean, just lives up the road from me so popped up and got them, didnt think i would need them because i never use gloves but it just got too cold this last few weeks. on the gloves themselves, their great (in a tony the tiger voice) they really do keep your hands warm, i have used them everytime ive left the house this past few weeks!! they are a bit bulky but arthur reckons when the innerlining is washed it becomes less bulky, which i will soon see as ive just put them in the wash. i dont think i could work in these temps without the gloves!!