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carloso

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working at height info
« on: April 15, 2005, 06:46:39 pm »
hi all

just found this and thought some of you mght be interested

cheers

carl

Work at Height Regulations laid down in Parliament

New regulations on working at height will come into force on 6th April. The Work at Height Regulations 2005 consolidate previous legislation on working at height and will implement European Council Directive 2001/45/EC concerning minimum safety and health requirements for the use of equipment for work at height (the Temporary Work at Height Directive or TWAHD).

The Regulations will apply to all work at height where there is a risk of a fall liable to cause personal injury. They place duties on employers, the self-employed, and any person that controls the work of others to the extent of their control (for example facilities managers or building owners who may contract others to work at height).

The Regulations will require duty holders to ensure:

all work at height is properly planned and organised;
those involved in work at height are competent;
the risks from work at height are assessed and appropriate work equipment is selected and used;
the risks from fragile surfaces are properly controlled; and
equipment for work at height is properly inspected and maintained.

The Regulations include Schedules giving requirements for existing places of work and means of access for work at height, collective fall prevention (e.g. guardrails and working platforms), collective fall arrest (e.g. nets, airbags etc), personal fall protection (e.g. work restraints, fall arrest and rope access) and ladders.

“In 2003/4 falls from height accounted for 67 fatal accidents at work (in the UK) and nearly 4,000 major injuries. They remain the single biggest cause of workplace deaths and one of the biggest causes of major injury," says Elizabeth Gibby, Head of the Health & Safety Executive’s Injuries Reduction Programme.

"Preventing falls from height is a central part of HSE’s Injuries Reduction Programme and these Regulations will provide the cornerstone for this programme to improve standards for work at height and thereby reduce deaths and injuries.

“They set out a simple hierarchy for managing and selecting equipment for work at height. Duty holders must:

avoid work at height where they can;
use work equipment or other measures to prevent falls where they cannot avoid working at height; and
where they cannot eliminate the risk of a fall, use work equipment or other measures to minimise the distance and consequences of a fall should one occur."

She added: “The Regulations cover a wide range of industries and activities but we have developed some simple messages which we want to communicate to all industries. Our key messages are:

those following good practice for work at height now should already be doing enough to comply with these Regulations;
follow the risk assessments you have carried out for work at height activities and make sure all work at height is planned, organised and carried out by competent persons;
follow the hierarchy for managing risks from work at height - take steps to avoid, prevent or reduce risks; and
choose the right work equipment and select collective measures to prevent falls (such as guardrails and working platforms) before other measures which may only mitigate the distance and consequences of a fall (such as nets or airbags) or which may only provide personal protection from a fall.”

HSE will publish a simple guide to the Regulations. It will also promote the key messages with industry sectors and encourage them to review and develop their own specific guidance and advice for work at height.

The Work at Height Regulations 2005 (S.I.2005 No 735) will be accessible shortly via the HMSO website at:
www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si20050735.htm

Printed copies are published by The Stationery Office.

Tel: 0870 6005522
Fax: 0870 600 5533
E-mail customer.services@tso.co.uk

Copies of HSE’s simple guide to the Regulations will be available shortly and will be free to download at:
Web: www.hse.gov.uk or
Tel: 01787 881165
Fax: 01787 313995


31.03.05

carloso

Duke

Re: working at height info
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2005, 06:48:32 pm »
blimey...whatever next...

rosskesava

Re: working at height info
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2005, 09:01:16 pm »
oh dear ...................

s.hughes

Re: working at height info
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2005, 11:53:42 pm »
I just thought that so long as you werent up the ladder for more than 20 mins and you took safety measures then it was ok.

rosskesava

Re: working at height info
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2005, 12:16:41 am »
Hi s.hughes

I only wrote 'oh dear......' because I thought it was a 'here we go again with the WAHD and the avidly totaly pro WFP'ers' and those that are of the mind the anything otherwise is a waste of time would jump on the all to familiar band wagon of guesswork, specualation and you will die if go up a ladder.

The WAHD does not ban ladders or anything like it. It just gives guidance to stop people and companies from taking risks for profits with others lives. I don't know about the 20 minutes though but I'd be suprised if it took more than 20 minutes to clean one window.

The only thing I understand is now law is that going over 27ft on a ladder is illegal.

I have looked into the WAHD in a lot of detail. The problem being is that the directive is not exact. It does not say 'you cannot do this' in exact terms. It does not say you cannot clean windows with a ladder and if anyone says it does, then proove it. Proove it by putting a link where it says windows cannot be cleaned with a ladder.

You won't find one link posted from an official HSE associated website that says that exactly.

It says about reasonable risk and safety measures and risk assessment etc.

There is also a thing called 'accepted and reasonable practise'. Mix that with a the speculative risk assesment for Mrs Jones upstairs windows on her 2 up and 2 down town house and what is reasonable, according to WAHD, and what have you got? A complete mess of non specific rules.

In 10 or 20 years then maybe ladders will be banned but not at the moment.

I bet I've now stirred up a hornets nest.  ;D

Cheers

Ross

gaza

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Re: working at height info
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2005, 12:40:25 am »
lets start the ball rolling 27 ft isnt 9 metres I went to school to do reading+sums,it clearly states 9 metres
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

rosskesava

Re: working at height info
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2005, 12:49:27 am »
Hi

Ok 1 metre is 39.3700787401575 inches.

9 metres is 29.5275590551181 feet.

I was being non exact in that 3 foot equals 1 metre.

Does that mean the top of the ladder or the top of the ladder with the person adding height to it?

Or his arm outstreched above him?

I couldn't find that one out? No one could tell me except 9 metres is law.

And just how does the person on the ladder know what is is exactly 9 metres as opposed to 9.00001 metres?

Cheers

Ross

s.hughes

Re: working at height info
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2005, 12:52:56 am »
I was up ladders on a job 2nd storey, Ground,1st,2nd. One of the H&S inspects turns up and asks me to do a risk assessment which I promptly did that same day. She told me to carry on even though she felt it was unsafe for me to work at such a height. When I asked around i.e my supplier I was told the reason why I was never stopped was because I was not breaking any law, new or old. She would have had no right to stop me but had every right to voice her views and concerns.
Think about it. She would have stopped me if she could have done. Only problem is that when these inspecs voice their concerns it puts the wind up the management. So keep them happy, do your risk assessments even if they dont ask for one and it keeps you and them covered. ;)

rosskesava

Re: working at height info
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2005, 01:20:31 am »
Also...

We do work for a local ASDA. Their H & S bloke is really hot on what is safe and what is not.

We use cones etc and someone at the bottom of the ladder plus the usual ladder precautions and he does know about the WAHD and he's happy for us to carry on doing 1st and 2nd floor and he will not have WFP doing the same work because of H & S rules and I'm not saying it's the same in every case but in that instance and for that job on that site, ASDA won't have WFP.

gaza

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Re: working at height info
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2005, 10:07:24 am »
Bet if you went early doors with a pole he wouldnt know the diff,especialy if it was raining{slightly}if its a big ASDA like ours
the time saved you could be having a full breakfast in a cafe,tempting eh!
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

rosskesava

Re: working at height info
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2005, 09:30:28 pm »
Unfortunately it's a 24 hour Asda.

It's at Brighton Marina and according to the bloke at Asda'a, poles are banned at all commercial premises in the marina anyway but he didn't have a clue as to why.

Duke

Re: working at height info
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2005, 10:17:38 am »
how strange....you'd have think they'd welcomed it....H&S and all that..

jsm

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Re: working at height info
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2005, 07:51:01 pm »
Unfortunately it's a 24 hour Asda.

It's at Brighton Marina and according to the bloke at Asda'a, poles are banned at all commercial premises in the marina anyway but he didn't have a clue as to why.

Ive fished there many times with a 13ft beach caster - not alot of difference  ;D
John Malone
JSM. Window & General Cleaning
(  North Wales  )
Giving homes a shine sicne 1989

one of the early gang of wfp er's ---- remember , when you cant see out - give JSM a shout