[Martin-Swinscoe]

It takes 3 months to train average guy up, if keen a little less.  Thats's using ladders mind.

I can see where you are coming from regarding the drinking and timekeeping.
 Have had lots of lads work for me in the past and morning timekeeping/coming in with hangovers is worrying when you employ, and they don't take kindly to being asked why they are late or look like poo.

I may be too hard on staff over starting time but, when I agree a starting time of say 6 o-clock and they aint there for 2 mins past then i'm gone and they lose a days pay. then they are ringing me up at 6.30 saying i'm late, not them, but me!
Come on, how long does somone wait 1 min, 2mins 10 mins a half hour, all day!
If I was to meet someone for work at 6 o-clock i would make damn sure that i was there for 10 to 6. no problem.



I could go on


Steve a

100% agree

[ronnie paton]

too many people on here think this is rocket science ITS NOT!!!

you all talk of having high standards, how hard is it to clean a pane of glass SERIOUSLY!

Do it right first time, wipe the mess JOB DONE!

If i took someone on and they wern't up to scratch within 1 month MAX they would be gone. I check the site (all glass) before leaving, even if it was me who did the work

Now who is making it difficult, you check all glass after done so you either get your ladder out and check every pane which will take twice has long. You can see your work once it been cleaned and your toe 2 toe with the glass

[dave0123]

To be fair i thought he would of either been late or not come in one day etc or made an excuse of some sort..

but he has allways been there on time waiting as were he said he even walks about half mile to were i pick him up his idea because of traffic lol. Im still waiting for it to happen one day though him not turning in.

[RSWindows]

too many people on here think this is rocket science ITS NOT!!!

you all talk of having high standards, how hard is it to clean a pane of glass SERIOUSLY!

Do it right first time, wipe the mess JOB DONE!

If i took someone on and they wern't up to scratch within 1 month MAX they would be gone. I check the site (all glass) before leaving, even if it was me who did the work

Now who is making it difficult, you check all glass after done so you either get your ladder out and check every pane which will take twice has long. You can see your work once it been cleaned and your toe 2 toe with the glass

try not including your post with my quote

no i do not go up ladders to check all glass and to suggest that is what i mean just makes you look daft! we have been granted with an engenious invention called eyes...use them!

you another optical enhancement speccialist then ronnie?

[dave0123]

no i do not go up ladders to check all glass and to suggest that is what i mean just makes you look daft! we have been granted with an engenious invention called eyes...use them!

you another optical enhancement speccialist then ronnie?

If you dont check the windows untill the end  and then you dont get your ladder off to check the upstairs ones how do you know there ok? would't just be easier to check each window once there done?

To me going round each down stirs window looking at every window would look like your not confident of your work to your customer if there in of course.

thats just how i see it not nocking u m8

[RSWindows]

i do not do residential work only large scale commercial work. I dont leave a piece of glass till i see its dont properly but i am not nieve enough to ignore the possibility of runs long after ive left that panel (10-15mins)

I always have a quick walk around the site and look out for runs which are not all that difficult to notice. Its the seals on some of the older work i do that cause the problems, its only the runs that i need to look out for as i know i done the glass right in the first place otherwise i would not have moved on.

i dont think for a minute that you are mocking me but it riles me sometimes when people make out that they have job that entails so much skill and talent, yeah sure you pick up some skills as time goes by and increase speed but i find this job relaxing and try my damn best not to be in a hurry all the time and i think i benefit from that.

[ronnie paton]

in sorry don't want to get my words mixed up with yours.
If you detail like I'm sure you do then surely there won't be runs ?

It was you that said you went round checking all your work, back on post 1 week is not long enough to get some one properly up to speed be patient slowly push them so they don't get comfy with there own speed and give them encouragement when they pick up speed.

It's not rocket science but if had many who clean there own windows doe years who can't clean windows propery.

[RSWindows]

read the post! Older frames cause chaos, detail for 10mins if you like on the one pane then walk away, go back 1 hr later....runs everywhere. Thankfully i dont have too many that are like this but mostly on listed buildings etc. The ones which i am referring to dont have any rubber seals just degrading wood that if you toutched it..it would crumble (literally)

While you might be cleaning houses or shops with upvc windows with nice water resistant seals not everyone does! I only have to get back up and re do it mabie 2 out of 100 times but for all the time it takes to walk around a property (2-3mins) its worth checking especcialy if its a 200/300 pound job and shows you care about what you do and wont just dissapear without checking for flaws in your work.

[groundhog]

I'm losing the will to live here!!!!!! This thread is soooooo boring!!!!!!   

[steve a]

OK.

Good bit for the training here.

Now listen!


Tell the lad/lads that work for you to check the windows they have cleaned as they walk back past them. (imagine long run of commercial) not just their work but yours as well, even a good window cleaner will leave a run or two.

God help me..... the number of times I have had employees walking back to the van looking the other way (away from the windows) I try to explain that even I look at the glass andthat they are being paid to do it!!!!!


Seriously all you employers out there, watch them and they will go out of their way to look the other way..

Now I will just put my straight jacket back on with the help of those men in their little white coats LOL

Steve a

[peter holley]

I'm losing the will to live here!!!!!! This thread is soooooo boring!!!!!!   

thats what i thought but carried on reading ....lol

[peter holley]

i have just taken on a part timer, his commitment is second to none....im wfp, and when hes working i watch him without him knowing, he is doing really well, if i see something he needs to work on i kindly point it out, and then i watch without him knowing to mak sure he is doing what suggested... i have to say ..iv found a good un

[mark dew]

i have to say ..iv found a good un

Famous last words.

[peter holley]

i have to say ..iv found a good un

Famous last words.

lol.... 

[steve a]

i have just taken on a part timer, his commitment is second to none....im wfp, and when hes working i watch him without him knowing, he is doing really well, if i see something he needs to work on i kindly point it out, and then i watch without him knowing to mak sure he is doing what suggested... i have to say ..iv found a good un

Stick with him.
He will earn you (and him) a lot of money.
But one day he WILL let you down( mine went self employed) and is now working for someone else for less money and longer hours (but we will not go into that.)
It's good while it lasts (don't make the mistake I did of letting him know how much you get for each job as they cannot see the actual input and expenditure that you have to put into it. all they can see is YOU earn £25 per hour and they get 7 ish and they want some of it!

[NWH]

i have just taken on a part timer, his commitment is second to none....im wfp, and when hes working i watch him without him knowing, he is doing really well, if i see something he needs to work on i kindly point it out, and then i watch without him knowing to mak sure he is doing what suggested... i have to say ..iv found a good un

Stick with him.
He will earn you (and him) a lot of money.
But one day he WILL let you down( mine went self employed) and is now working for someone else for less money and longer hours (but we will not go into that.)
It's good while it lasts (don't make the mistake I did of letting him know how much you get for each job as they cannot see the actual input and expenditure that you have to put into it. all they can see is YOU earn £25 per hour and they get 7 ish and they want some of it!

Your right in everything you say there,it makes no difference to how they start out in the end they always end up bitter and jealous regardless of what they get from you.

[Steve CM]

i have just taken on a part timer, his commitment is second to none....im wfp, and when hes working i watch him without him knowing, he is doing really well, if i see something he needs to work on i kindly point it out, and then i watch without him knowing to mak sure he is doing what suggested... i have to say ..iv found a good un

Stick with him.
He will earn you (and him) a lot of money.
But one day he WILL let you down( mine went self employed) and is now working for someone else for less money and longer hours (but we will not go into that.)
It's good while it lasts (don't make the mistake I did of letting him know how much you get for each job as they cannot see the actual input and expenditure that you have to put into it. all they can see is YOU earn £25 per hour and they get 7 ish and they want some of it!

Your right in everything you say there,it makes no difference to how they start out in the end they always end up bitter and jealous regardless of what they get from you.

I made an example of one of the guys i had that thought 24k a year wasn't enough. He left thinking he was to valuable to me and that i would crumble in some way. i replaced him within 2 days with an experienced WC. the guy then wouldn't stop ringing me for his job back. begging me infact. i told the other 2 workers i got about it to underline their position. and to stop them thinking the same. and so far i've had no other issues. and that is the only issue related to that i've had.

I think its just how you handle the situation if it comes up. i took no crap and thats that really. you can't run a business in fear!!