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Re: Wool safe
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2008, 05:27:13 pm »
If these companies can come out with all their TV advertising horse manure, then I don't see why when I'm standing next  to the customer I can't give her some of mine.

I always infer my stuff is safe, but wouldn't risk anything from the supermarkets, true or not, I'm taking my opportunity.


The WoolSafe Organisation

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Re: Wool safe
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2008, 04:44:38 pm »
A few of the points brought up by recent contributors need some clarification, I feel:

1. When we first started working with carpet cleaning chemical suppliers in the late-1980s there were a number of popular DIY products (1001 Carpet Cleaner, now long discontinued, being one example) that  cleaned very well but had a number of seriously bad side effects. Sticky residues causing rapid re-soiling being the main problem. In effect they were little better than dishwashing liquids. As soon as we showed the suppliers what grief their products caused they started reformulating them. Today, most DIY carpet cleaning chemicals produced in this country are OK. Look for the WOOLSAFE Mark! As are those produced in Germany and Australia, and those in the US from the big suppliers. WOOLSAFE certification (which started in 1991) contributed to this improvement in a significant way. However, there are many small (mainly US) suppliers over which no-one has any control.
There were also problems with chemicals imported into this country being too aggressive on wool (blend) carpets, mainly caused by high alkalinity. This problem affected professional carpet cleaners more than householders. Here again, WOOLSAFE testing and certification helped by highlighting those products that should really not be used on delicate fibres. Wool and advanced generation nylon, which are dyed with the same dyestuffs, are both safeguarded by the WOOLSAFE programme.

2. WOOLSAFE was started by specialists from the carpet industry, not the chemical industry. We work closely with carpet suppliers and the chemical companies for the  best possible maintenance, thus ensuring happy carpet owners, repeat business for carpet suppliers and as few problems as possible for the cleaners.

3. Believe me: money is not the issue here. If you compare what we charge the chemical manufacturers for the service we supply with what they would have to fork out if they launched a poor product, they get a real bargain from us!

4. The WOOLSAFE criteria for approving or rejecting chemicals were set by carpet experts. They were primarily designed to safeguard carpets and their owners, but as it happens they also protect the chemical suppliers. They are endorsed by leading carpet mills. Some, like Mohawk and Shaw, the two largest carpet mills in the world even have their own WOOLSAFE Approved products to sell to their customers!
All WOOLSAFE tests are based on internationally recognised test methods and standards, and they are both wide-ranging and strict. We don’t want any complaints either! 
Something else to think about:
- we work with more than 50 of the world’s leading carpet cleaning chemical manufacturers, many of which have been WOOLSAFE licensees for over 10 years;
- we have tested more than 700 of their maintenance products over the past 17 years;
- there are more than 250 WOOLSAFE approved products on the market worldwide;
- all certified products are checked at least once a year for continued compliance with the WOOLSAFE standards (more frequently in case of a re-formulation).
Check these facts on our website – www.woolsafe.org.

5. Instructions for Use: we look at these too before we approve a product. We try to ensure they are clear, complete and promote safety in use. But at the end of the day it’s up to the user to read them and follow the advice given.

If you want to debate, dispute, confirm or question any of the points made above, I’d be happy to talk to you!

Paul Bakker

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Re: Wool safe
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2008, 06:03:22 pm »
Paul, nice post and well clarified.

When is the next wool safe course?
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Doug Holloway

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Re: Wool safe
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2008, 07:53:30 am »
Hi Paul

Thanks for your contribution.

Would I be right in saying that your tests have shown that it is alkalinity, i.e amount of buffering which is  more important than pH ?

What pH level would you say is  the max for an unbuffered solution on wool?

Cheers

Doug

The WoolSafe Organisation

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Re: Wool safe
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2008, 11:43:49 am »
Doug, sorry it took this long to respond, but I was not watching the site for a while.
Safe pH for wool should be below about 10.5. Please see also Reply #16 on: July 04, back on page 1.

The next WoolSafe training coursewill be on 17th September in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
We are planning to have another one at the National Flood School in Surrey early autumn, and one in Buckinghamshire, subject to demand. So the best for anybody interested is to send us an e-mail with their preferred time and location and we will organise one accordingly.

Paul Bakker

stevegunn

Re: Wool safe
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2008, 01:22:33 pm »
Why does everyone talk about Vanish and 1001 together all the time, as if they were the same?!?
They are separate brands made by different manufacturers in different countries and they have very different properties. It is incorrect to create an association between them. Vanish itself has many varieties, none of the present formulations are WoolSafe approved. Some are far too strongly alkaline, some have other problems. (Also, there are a countless number of Vanish laundry products, any of them could have been used by the customer reaching for the “magic” pink bottle!)
Most of the 1001 range is WoolSafe approved, which means they are safe if used correctly.
This is the message you should give the customer (apart from the obvious: the safest of all is YOU, the professional). Anything else is not helpful and if you tell them they cannot use anything, they will not listen. The message is telling them to look for the WoolSafe Mark on the bottle and/or to look at our website for the most up to date list. There they will find some other products they can try, like Carpet Power, Host, Envirodri…

Ágnes


Because these are the two products most readily available to joe public,customer will try one does not work next week while doing shopping get the other then that fails they ring us.
The biggest problem with these products is they don't follow the instructions on the bottle either,whether in blind panic or just laziness.