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colin thomas

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carpet moth
« on: July 07, 2008, 06:41:58 pm »
i've seen this quite often but not had to treat it. customer says that they look like bits of rice which then hatch, the problem is of course that they eat the carpet. someone did treat the carpet last year with 'no insect' from cornwall but it's back this year.
any advice on products and methods would be very welcome,

colin
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John Kelly

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 06:48:08 pm »
Good vacuum cleaner for the customer is the best method, used daily. Microban X580 kills them as does Permethrin.

colin thomas

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 07:06:41 pm »
where from john

 ;)
colin
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lands

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 07:08:17 pm »
I believe there's a firm in the north east that stock X580 www.restormate.co.uk  ;)

AJB

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 08:25:30 pm »
They will always come back, a bit like Salmon spawning they return
to where they hatched. Unless you can kill them all, without any maturing and leaving
to return.
www.ajbcarpetcleaning.co.uk
At the end of the day a Satisfied Customer is all that counts, They'll come back and so will their friends!!!

Karl Wildey

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 10:04:23 pm »
Only live in natural carpets, wool, silk, cotton, and perfer the dark, so often damage is not spotted until its too late, under curatins, ottamans, book shelves etc.
Just a little info,
craftex do an excellent insecticide, it kills everything and if put down strong enough will stop them returning, although as its an insect-icide, I am not sure if it works on moths,

Les

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 12:24:32 pm »
Hi, I had an elderly lady leave a message asking if I could get rid of 'Mossths'... ??? ??? It was a bad line and I wasn't sure if she said Moss or Moths but fortunately I rang first before turning up at her door with a pressure washer  :o

I contacted this company www.pesthelp.co.uk   who were very helpful with advice and products. I used a three pronged attack on their advice.

Did the job, amazed at how many moths dropped dead in front of me off the curtains etc., and customer has never rung to say that they're back.  :D

Les

Jim_77

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 06:54:48 pm »
Case-bearing moths  >:(

The "grains of rice" are the cases that the larvae spin for themselves, mostly out of the fibres of the carpet.  They pupate inside this case too, and emerge as adult moths

Moths are NOT like bloody salmon!  They don't care where they go, as long as there is a dark corner and a food source for their next generation.  The adults and larvae are light-shy so tend not to stray very far from where they hatch, which means that an infestation can grow in size very rapidly.

As stated above, the larvae can go unnoticed for a long time if furniture isn't moved around or vacuumed under very often.  You'll find the larvae under any furniture that sits really low to the carpet, making it virtually dark.  Typically they'll be head down, tail up, munching away on the carpet fibres.

They eat keratin, a protein made up of amino acids - this is actually a very specialised diet, few creatures can break it down to digest it.  Keratin is found in hair, fur and feathers (nails too but you don't get many fingernail carpets).  Finally we've found a saving grace for polypropylene carpets  ::)

As already stated, the best way of customers controlling the presence of these pests is by a very thorough vacuuming regime, including the gulleys of the carpet with a crevice tool.

Vacuuming is never going to get rid of all of the larvae, just helps to limit the growth of the population.

ANY insecticide used previously will no longer have an effect after a certain period of time.  Insecticides generally work on contact and have little residual effect once dry.  Insecticides only kill adult moths and larvae, not pupae or eggs.  You can't "put an insecticide down strongly" to prevent insects returning.  Glug glug etc...

This is why a growth inhibitor (e.g. Nylar) should be applied to the carpet at the same time (some insecticides might have an inhibitor mixed in with them).  Growth inhibitors have a residual effect lasting a good few months.  This means that any eggs are prevented from developing, any freshly hatched larvae or adults are prevented from developing to the next stage of the life cycle.  This breaks the chain, and destroys the life cycle of the moth, in theory eradicating it from the infested area.

The only problem is that if the next-door neighbour has the moths too, there'll still be a fresh source of adult moths coming in to the house.  When the inhibitor has worn off from the treated areas, the infestation may start all over again  :-\

The only option would be to treat with inhibitor every 6 months or so and keep an eye on it.

Jim_77

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 06:55:11 pm »
P.S. trying to post some pics but keep getting an error :(

colin thomas

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 08:19:49 pm »
very good post jim, what is Nylar?

colin
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Jim_77

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 10:32:39 pm »
As said above, it's a growth inhibitor.  It affects the insects somehow, maybe imbalances growth hormone chemicals or something, I don't know the science bit too well :)

A supplier should be pretty easy to find with google.

Oh, and to correct myself slightly, the larvae obviously eat the wool completely (hence the missing bits in the carpet) but only digest the keratin, excreting the rest.

Gerry Styles

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 10:57:48 pm »
Last year use insecticide from Bio Production, they were falling from everywhere. Told customer to call me if problem persists, spoke to her a month later for another job, no sign of any more moth
Premier Klean Limited

Jim_77

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 11:07:01 pm »
That's a good sign but remember Insecticide doesn't kill eggs or pupae.

I can't remember off the top of my head the length of time that this insect stays in each stage, but it can be a number of weeks.  So, after apparently killing all signs of life, there may be a large gap before fresh insects emerge either from eggs or pupae.  That's why the inhibitor is used, to "mop up" any remaining ones.

Hopefully in your case Gerry you managed to nip an infestation in the bud, and eradicated the population completely in one go!

How long ago was this?

Gerry Styles

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Re: carpet moth
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 12:44:37 pm »
July last year
Premier Klean Limited

Alan Cox

Re: carpet moth
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 02:09:17 pm »
Chemtreat from Chemspec is the solution for this problem

Alan Cox Woolsafe Cert. Opp.