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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 07:44:00 am »
Nothing through yet Roger.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 07:52:04 am »
Mine went to Spam ;D

carpetmonsters

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 08:07:54 am »
Hi Roger

Can you send my self a price list etc please?

info@ecoklean.co.uk

Thanks steve

LTT Leathercare

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008, 03:52:34 pm »
Roger

The SLTC has a sister organisation in the USA called the ALCA (American Leather Chemists Association) which has a forum that you have appeared on a couple of times.

When asked about re fatliquoring part of their response was

'.........the fatliquors in the leather are covering all the leather fibres making it soft and will remain there for all the useful life of the goods'

and in response to a question about 'conditioning' this was the response

'First there is an issue with jargon here. Conditioning to a tanner normally means moisture control, which can be very critical to fit with leather since moisture tends to expand leather, thus too much moisture and then the piece may dry too small after sewn in place, or conversely a dry piece sewn into place may turn out to be loose and wrinkled when it absorbs moisture from the air.
'....The use of "conditioners" is a whole empty and useless topic just as you note. Especially with upholstery with a tough finish coat. That is why plastic conditioner is the same as leather conditioner in many of the marketing games. Even though oils and a small amount of moisture are good for leather over time, it can not be delivered in any real sense through these finishes.
Also, as you have noted, this junk is mostly water and little active, useful ingredient. ..............(they have)  been found to be nearly all water and little else, but very successfully marketed.
Generally leather loses moisture and lubrication over long periods of time and heavy use, so the treatment would be of value only to replenish lost fatliquor and moisture from baking and rubbing over long periods. Consequently, new leather, stored and handled properly, would only be over treated with conditioner resulting in staining, over sizing, even removal or dilution of fungicides, etc. with treatment......'

and they also pointed out that

'......as we can see from those who have something to sell, they can be very persuasive, using facts to make a great case while completely ignoring meaningful points such as the fact that it does nothing.....'

and in response to your own post about your products they stated

'Roger, I am impressed with your presentation and enthusiasm though I certainly have clearly stated opposing positions....'

Our opinions will be presented to the SLTC conference this year



http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
Leather Consultant to the Furniture and Cleaning Industry
Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
AMU
IICRC (LCT)
NCCA
SLTC

Steve Chapman

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2008, 04:31:42 pm »
Hi roger would appreciate an email price list too
steverjc@tiscali.co.uk


regards
steve

Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 04:51:10 pm »
Still nothing.

I feel victimized  :'(

Roger Koh

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2008, 09:27:32 pm »
Keep an open healthy business mind everyone!

We are only interested to prosper through a business transaction that benefits all party concern.

A frog in a well is good sometimes, but not all the times!

Conditions relevance to “indoor leather goods” may be totally difference for all outdoor goods!

As today leathers are generally found indoor more than outdoor our main focus is such.

Leather Structure Conditioning

Leather Surface Conditioning

Add these products to your range.

I will sell by pails in container loads especially to LTT.

Then you may have to do a lot of clean-up here!

FC is welcome too; to make your bottling plant busier after all you already have your market but lack the range.

All are welcome to this “breakthrough” technology that benefits “To Whom It May Concern”.

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 09:40:28 pm »
Roger

try mwo@btinternet.com

Thanks

Mike

Barry Livingstone

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2008, 09:49:02 pm »
Rodger you remind me of a old chap i met in 1999.... he was great at sales in fact he took 10k off and there i was "Home'n'dry"....my own dry carpet cleaning co.............mmmmmm is it just me or am i too near the bottling plant in Scotland ???????????? ???
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
                     Fife, perth and tayside.

Barry Livingstone

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2008, 09:51:23 pm »
I think what my point is ...?1 why arent you just setting up a distibuter in this country or go one better franchise it over here ???

Just questions id like to ask ?
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
                     Fife, perth and tayside.

carlton care

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 09:53:12 pm »
Cynical, or what ?


Barry Livingstone

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2008, 10:16:53 pm »
id call it being long in the tooth !!!! :P
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
                     Fife, perth and tayside.

Andy Hogarth

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2008, 10:32:44 pm »
I'll have that email too please roger.

Worth a look at least

andy@accyork.co.uk
Www.2venturegroup.com

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2008, 10:35:59 pm »
From the kit I got at CCDO it's very high quality I especailly like the leather scent.

Shaun

Roger Koh

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 12:34:28 am »
James123,

I sympathize with your financial losses.

Once bitten twice shy as the saying goes!

I too have financial losses and I can understand your feeling, mine is 150K.

Fifteen times bigger than yours, I think same year too, but different situation.

How gullible we can be?

I like guys like you who have shared similar misfortune.

It is also a lesson learned.

Always, thinking of how I can recoup such losses from another more promising enterprise.

Here I am, I would never want any poor soul to experience the devastating experience I had.

It was my turning point in life to practice the golden rule:

Thou shall not …

If my time on earth is a clock that has 12 hours, I only have few more hours left!

I only want to leave a legacy - Leather Doctor® survives and I vanishes away empty handed, and all is left behind.

It will do no good for the leather cleaning & restoration industry if I survive this breakthrough technology just for my grave.

I would want to share it with you, because you are at the forefront of this industry that makes the difference.

James123, do you want me to answer your other question?

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

carlton care

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 03:02:54 pm »
Wondered what you regard as " long in the tooth " James, as I am now in my 63rd year and hopefully a lot less cynical than in my younger days.

Not sure what you meant about the Scottish bottling plant !

Rob M

*paul_moss

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 04:36:56 pm »
Rob I  thought you had taken yourself off the forums?
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

carlton care

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Re: Feed back from Rogers kits ?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 07:21:37 pm »
I had indeed, but got withdrawal symptoms !! Hope your event went well .

rob m