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ztech

  • Posts: 48
ladders slipping
« on: October 20, 2004, 11:59:11 am »
whats the best thing to stop ladders slipping on moss
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reah

Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2004, 01:53:27 pm »
Hi i use an old  beachtowel and also a ladderstopper on top if needed. I did a house this morning that was on a steep slope on the driveway i always ask the customer if i can park my car on the drive once the ladders were positioned i put the car up tight to the ladders front on so the bumper was against the ladders. a heavy towel is good on decking as well.If the decking has gaps inbetween  you can slot the ladderstopper side on putting a side down the space between the decking this give support to the ladders.

Ian Rochester

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2004, 02:08:56 pm »
Don't put them on it!, the same applies to decking if the grooving is running away from the house and block paving if slippery!

I've just heard of a wc who's ladder apparently slipped on wet block paving, he was in hospital unconscious for 8 days, five fracture to skull, still bed ridden, been told not to drive for 12 months.  Highly doubt he'll ever go up a ladder again!

This is the worst time of the year for slips, everything is wet, covered with dead leaves and moss.  If in doubt tell them you cannot get to that window this time, no-one will force you.  If you do have someone working with you get them to foot the ladder when you are unsure of the base.

Heard a report on the radio the other day, window cleaning is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country, load of b******s, its the people not the job that makes things dangerous  Good quality equipment, training, methods and assessments of risks will eliminate 99% of accidents

The only safe way and the way forward is WFP, we have two lads using ladders and two using WFP systems, one truck mount one trolley, as soon as I can justify the outlay and the logistics of accessing some of the domestic houses, they will all be using WFP systems.  

Philip Hanson

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2004, 02:37:44 pm »
Sound advice there from Lionheart.

No window is worth risking a serious injury.

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

martin19842

  • Posts: 1945
Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2004, 06:36:08 pm »
lionheart

wfp and non ladder access is fine, however if you are doing build cleans we need to access the frames from outside to clean off all the tapes, labels and builders muck.

any suggestions

regards

martin

CARLO

  • Posts: 15
Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2004, 06:45:59 pm »
 hydraulic platform, only way on a building site!

martin19842

  • Posts: 1945
Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2004, 10:04:38 pm »
carlo,

we use ladders to first floor, cherry pickers would put costs up to much.

dont get me wrong we are IPAF and offer this service to those who want it

regards

martin

John Walker

  • Posts: 613
Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2004, 09:42:21 pm »

I am non WFP at present but using Ettore extension poles with combination applicator/squeegee on first floor windows with a fair ammount of success, although it has taken some practice.  I still use a 6ft wooden pointer with rubber feet for downstairs frames etc.  I only need go up three rungs to comfortably reach the tops of the frames.

Any comments on using this 6ft pointer with respect to safety issues and the forthcoming Height Directive.
BaxWalker Window Cleaning

gaza

  • Posts: 1642
Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2004, 07:20:29 pm »
Ive refused to clean several windows in the past,and I plan to do so in the future.Your along time dead.each customer has been okay with it and they have stilled payed the full amount,even though I said I would knock some off.I make a joke of it like Idont want to put a new sunroof in your car,ave you payed the phone bill,do you know the local hospital phone no,can you recommend a good Dr.
SOUNDadvice by earlier postings Iagree with them all except the towel one,if it works for you
ok do it but I wouldnt try it myself.
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

AMG

Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2004, 10:04:14 pm »


I like the idea of moss/algae removal as a service, I might play with the idea of offering the customers a choice of two options in the next flyer, 1. If ground is deemed unsafe for ladder access the window is skipped for that month and the price will remain the same, or 2. If ground is deemed to be unsafe cleaner will remove moss or algae and clean window with a ladder mat, if this is done a £2.00 additional charge will be added for that month.

Then the customer can choose if they want that window skipped with no charge or cleaned with a small additional cost.

This will not happen every time and in the summer wont happen at all so I think its a fair way of keeping the risks down. I'm not going to go up a ladder if I don't feel safe but at the same time I don't like missing windows so I like the idea of clearing the ground and using a ladder mat.

Stay safe guys and girls.

Andy

Ian_Giles

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2004, 11:30:06 am »
Any slippery surface is a risk where ladders are concerned, you have to evaluate each situation as you come across it. Somethimes there is no safe way around the problem so you have to leave that window alone.
Or of course you clean a patch for the ladder to go on using a scraper and washing said patch down with a relavent moss/algae remover. You can always put down some rubber matting on patio's too.
I know you can always charge for this, but if it is just an odd window, by doing this you will have made it safe for yourself on subsequent visits.
If patio in a right state, offer to pressure wash it for them...at a price of course ;D


I generally agree with Lionheart, but statistically window cleaning IS one of the most dangerous jobs you can do.
You are working off ladders all the time, it may well be human error or misjudgment that causes the accidents, but the longer you are working off a ladder, the greater the eventual chance you will have an accident.
I'm 48 and have worked off ladders my entire working life, 21 of them as a window cleaner, any accidents I have had have been relatively minor. But even when you think you have taken all proper precautions you can still be caught out.
On one occasion while on a second floor window in the centre of my local town, the bottom of the ladder went from underneath me.
I thought I had done everything correctly, the ladder was not out too far at the bottom (quite the reverse actually) but the paving slab was slightly loose and also smoother than I had realised, as the slab moved very slightly the bottom went out, now it only went about a couple of feet to the other edge of the paving slab where the bottom of the ladder caught on the raised edge of another poorly fitting slab, so I only slipped about a foot at the top of the ladder.
Apart from experiencing the interesting taste of raw heart once I had realised how close I had come to a real 'biggy', no harm was done.

You cannot remove completely the human element, and (androids not withstanding) we are all human and liable, no matter how careful you may consider yourself to be, to making a tiny mistake (which is all it takes) that leads to you being very badly damaged.

The above incident only happened about 12 months or so ago, and coupled up with lots of other 'tiny' little incidences over the years really did prompt me into going for WFP, which I did back in April. Best move I ever did, and one that really makes you appreciate just how dangerous it is to work off ladders.

Having said that, I have had to do the odd job off ladders, but these are always of the initial clean type job. WFP absolutely useless for getting off putty, paint, silicone or compo. :-\

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Nick_Thompson

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2004, 11:50:47 am »
Hi all,

Just thought I would share something with you.

In the time I have been window cleaning I have tried everything from, carpet, scrim, towel, rubber mat and they have all slipped, to some extent, on different types of surface. But I discovered that there is something that won't slip on anything, even ice.

Turn a coconut mat up side down and place your ladder on the smoother side with the rough side on the slippery surface.

In my experience, if the ladder isn't at a too accute angle, this procedure is bullet proof.

Nick
Do quantum mechanics fix old transits?

And let us not forget, voyeurism is an occupational hazard that we simply must endure.

Ian_Giles

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2004, 11:54:39 am »
Hi Nick,

I like that idea, if I was still using ladders I would certainly try that one out ;D

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

littlejack

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2004, 08:21:50 pm »
I used to use one or two sand-bags to "foot" the ladder....Not ideal, but stops it slipping.

gaza

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 06:14:49 pm »
NICK: place lady on coconut mat? I DONT THINK SO !to much information.
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

Neil

Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2004, 06:18:26 pm »
NICK: place lady on coconut mat? I DONT THINK SO !to much information.
     ;D   ;D

AuRavelling79

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Re: ladders slipping
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2004, 08:44:31 am »
"TASTE OF RAW HEART" LOL! - good one Ian Giles - but soooo true!
Upside down coconut mat eh? Nick Thompson - Brilliant Idea - I'm off to B&Q today!

Two of my customers have  gravel over their front gardens and I clear a spot and ram (articulated) ladder feet into mud below - right through any membrane! Scuff away the evidence after and always put ladder in same spot after.

Never put ladder feet on gravel if its on a membrane over concrete. Roller skate city!
It's a game of three halves!