[derikraven]

ok, I'm thick but can someone explain micro splitters to me. Thanks,
Derik

[stains-away]

Easy, hand over money, obtain container, pre spray, agitate, extract, then go back to van to get the detergent out to do a proper job 

[derikraven]

you don't as, you don't learn.....................right?

[*paul_moss]

Derik
Over thae past years there has been loads of threads  on M/S.
I suggest you do a quick search and you will find all the info you need on Suppliers,use of, comparrisons versus normal chems etc.

Paul

[Matt Lindus]

Its simple derik really.
The fad of micro splitters was thought up some time ago in order to make lots money for a german company. Over the years, persistant crap results from cleaners using this product have become evident and lots have moved back to normal chemicals.
You often find when a product doesnt work, its publiciced shelf life expires and fources the manufacturer or suplyer to seize production and try and invent another product for the 'old fools' to fall for once again.

In a nutshel - They dont work and have never worked. When you remove most of the essential soil removal properties from a chemical the energy is losed from the formular. A compensation for this loss has to be used by lots of another method ie.. more agitation of product, more dwell time, more heat.

A good quality chemical works imediatly on contact with soil. Products such as Bane PCA'S, Prochem, Craftex etc.

Matt   

[Adam Young]

Matt,

Do you kleen your teeth with bog roll?

[BRSL]

Im not a great fan or user of M/S as I think the time used in agitating could be used to better use such as drinking tea and eating cake but I do believe that they are essential for every tool box, ive had two jobs of late where the job required me using no chemicals due to the custy or pets being very sensitive even to the point that they couldent use certain herbs or cleaners so always worth keeping some on board the van

James

[Neil Mc Anulty]

Matt
You must have had a bad experience. You are speaking for yourself, I switched to microsplitters about 2 years ago and have barely used detergents since. I do have detergent products but dont use them.

Cheers
Neil

[*paul_moss]

I too use M/S quite a lot and find them excellent with very good results.
They do take a little getting used to but once mastered mainly through a good agitation machine they perform very well indeed.
Like the thousands of different chemicals out there it is each to their own as people find that some work better than others for their style of cleaning.

[carpetguy]

I was one of the first to use the One Step products and when introduced into the UK they were marketed with the CFR and Klanz machines

This combination works extremely well and doesn't need heat

No chemical, or machine will work on every fabric, or carpet type and it's worth experimenting to find what works best for you.

My Klanz was wrecked by a past employee and regrettably, I dumped it. Due to my state of health, I do very little nowadays, but wish I could replace some machinery, with a Klanz and lightweight extractor, which would be allow me to keep experimenting.

robbie

[carpetclean]

I too use M/S quite a lot and find them excellent with very good results.
They do take a little getting used to but once mastered mainly through a good agitation machine they perform very well indeed.
Like the thousands of different chemicals out there it is each to their own as people find that some work better than others for their style of cleaning.

 I concur with Paul

[Jason Hedges]

Hi Derik,

I agree with Paul, Neil and Peter!

I use m/s for most jobs and find them very effective. Both carpets and upholstery.

I obviously start with a pre-vac. Then spray carpet with m/s. Agitate with mechanical agitation machine, then extract with plain water.

People compare time with spraying with detergent and dwell, for me its the same or even quicker using m/s with agitation with as good or beter results.

Simple really, can't understand why more people aren't keen on the idea!

Hope this helps,
Jason.

[Derek]

Jason

I have a theory on this.....the fact that the agitation process in necessary is seen as an 'additional task'... in fact it is one of the fundamental principles of cleaning.

What an effective agitation process does is reduce the amount of time, effort and passes with the wand + less passes with the wand means dryer carpets = happy customer.

Incidentally the first generation Micro-splitters are designed to work on contact

[carpetguy]

Are you suggesting that we have been wasting energy and cost by aggitating One Step for the past 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

As you say Derek, one of the basics I learned, long before m/s, was, prespray, dwell, aggitate, extract/rinse.

Common sense, really.

Experimenting is one of the best ways of learning, provided it's done with caution

robbie

[jbcleaning]

I think Derek means that you can agitate and rinse straight away after pre-spraying. You don't have to wait ten minutes for the pre-spray to work.

I like microsplitters, but they're only one tool of quite a few in the toolbox.

[AquaMagic]

Microsplitters Work and work well if used correctly, so do detergents, i personally use MS now in the majoroty of my cleaning but not all, this is simply becuase im my experience MS are more cost effective and you can push the ECO benefits WITHOUT loss of quliaty of clean, i use them with a truckmounted machie so my findings may differ from CC's using a Porty or Rotary.

Best advise anyone can give is TRY them out, most suppliers will offer a free sample, just be sure to give them a proper go and then make a judgement.

Dene

[Adam Young]

Hi All,

The second half of the posts on this thread are spot on the mark. I never right off or criticise any thing that would be usefull in my kit. I use Detergents, M/S and Enzymes as needed. All have their uses.

Some are used more than others. When I started I used a prespray, agitated, dwelled and extracted with a  chemical rinse in my tank. But why not just pre spray agitate and rinse with hot water when it is proven to work! It saves loads of time not mixing rinse chemicals into my tank and also saves having to rinse again to balance the pH.

Just my thoughts and experience so far.

Regards,

Adam.

[carpetguy]

Spot on, Adam

robbie

[Adam Young]

Jason

I have a theory on this.....the fact that the agitation process in necessary is seen as an 'additional task'... in fact it is one of the fundamental principles of cleaning.

What an effective agitation process does is reduce the amount of time, effort and passes with the wand + less passes with the wand means dryer carpets = happy customer.

Incidentally the first generation Micro-splitters are designed to work on contact

T.A.C.T = the NCCA pie chart, it works! it has has to! Spray your chosen chemical on to the carpet,  The chosen product then has to be agitated in to the pile to reach the soil,  leave long enough for the active ingredients to work (the carpet and your brain : will tell you how long!) then take the soil and the remaining chemicals out of the carpet using HOT water.

Temperature, Agition, Chemical, Time ( not particularly in that order!)

Regards,

Adam.

[AquaMagic]

Beat me to it Adam, i ALWAYS consider the Cleaning Pie when im on a job, and i follow the rule that if for some reason you cant do much of one of quaters of the pie you need to do more of the others within reason.  Makes you wonder if the detergent users ( i still use them occasionaly by the way with aggitation) dont need to agitate them they must be making up for it elsewhere ie stronger detergents or more heat or leaving it to dwell forever.  I just casnot concieve not aggitation the carpets you clean it beyond my comprehension why you wouldnt, not only as Derek says reduces the work at the rinse stage but after i go over the carpets with my Duo my customer often report that its "more bouncy", an added benefit that costs me nothing to deliver to my customer.

Microsplitters in my opinion are an excellent product.