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geefree

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PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« on: October 19, 2006, 11:01:35 pm »
Hi all,

I have just been reading through some of the old threads and came across a post regarding the jobs we all had before we became window cleaners, IT workers, accountants, and so on,

Can i ask if most of these people who decided to take the plunge, were from the south of England,
and as such, flourished because the cost of cleaning is far higher than in the North, making earning potential far greater.?

Are there many guys up here in the north who would like to tell us the jobs they had before window cleaning,

and how THEY think it is the best job in the world, and how they too have flourished,?

Its just a point i am interested in being a northerner,

as another form of encouragement (or not, we will see)

Gary.

supernova77

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 11:11:02 pm »
Gazza,

I was an IT Contractor, and yes I live in the South East.

With regards to you living in the North... It seems as though you think that you can't make a decent living out of window cleaning living up there?

Maybe you should try and find a "niche" up there? Instead of canvassing the same old housing estaes that the £2.50 brigade canvass go for larger houses etc... Try and find your own market within the window cleaning industry in your area.

It'll all come good in the end :)

Andy

geefree

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 11:18:44 pm »
Hi Andy..

thats exactly what i am doing, i am also informing all my customers regarding the  2.50 brigade, that they should look out for the guys as they are no good, and would they want them peering in their bedroom  and downstairs windows etc, eyeing up all there potential drug money,....

I tell them to ask them if they are insured etc and i also put that on leaflets at the moment... a seperate leaflet stapled to my own...

and at the moment they are all accepting my prices without a murmour.

As regards to making a living up here in the north... no, i didnt mean i dont think i can etc....

i was really just curious to see how it compared, if anyone answers lol.

Gary.

rosskesava

Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 11:26:50 pm »
Most of the wealthy and most of the richest area's, excluding exclusive area's in central London are in the North. The wealthiest area in the UK is Manchester.

Where I live in Brighton is not even in the the top 100 yet we get good prices. I think there is more to it than just the area because I know window cleaners around here who charge peanuts. A few, I don't know how they make enough to live on.

Also, where I live has the second highest cost of living outside of London.

I know I'll come in for a lot of flack, but I think prices have more to do with the w/c's attitude towards pricing than in the main, where they live.

Where I live is on a council housing estate. The going price around here is £4 or £5 a house. We charge £12.50. Most nights we do 4 or 5 on the way home. They take under 10 minutes each for 3 of us. They are just 'add ons' at the end of the day. 100% pure profit.

Why do we get £12.50 when other window cleaners don't?

When I started window cleaning I started in the area where I still live, I charged at £3 a house.

geefree

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 11:49:29 pm »
I agree with you totally,

The conception of a window cleaner is not of high regard,

and thus seems to affect the confidence of one who tries to put the price at a rate which would make him/her a reasonable income.

I found when i went out canvassing during my first two weeks , that the customer felt my unease and acted upon it, telling me oh thats to expensive or well, we will give you a go to see if you are any good etc.

Now i use a more business approach and TELL them the rate with confidence, and i usually get the job,

because i am trying to build a business and treat it as a business, i am the one now who feels insulted when they tell me it should be cheaper,

I tell them i am here to stay, that i am insured, professional, local and do a first class job , including frames and sills.

AND i warn them about any unruly window cleaners charging peanuts as they are more likely to be on the dole,

it seems to be getting home and my prices are all in the bracket for my area, and even creeping above.

So yes i think you are right, its down to the window cleaner to be professional, business minded, in a manner that comes across to the customer as such.

Otherwise we will always be labelled.


Gary.

geefree

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 11:56:22 pm »
ANYWAY ANY STORIES  ??? ;D

rosskesava

Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 12:49:44 am »
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ANYWAY ANY STORIES

I'm sorry but I don't understand.



Anyway, I never bother about saying anything other than the price. I'll say what the price includes and what we can do and what we cannot but only if the customer asks. Forget all that 'other window cleaner' stuff. Forget anything other  than giving a quote. You are what the customer is willing to give it a go for. The customer doesn't know how good you are untill you've done their windows. All that padding about other window cleaners is for you to feel ok about what you feel insecure about.

I don't know about being professional and all that, you have to walk the talk so to speak and that comes from what you feel about yourself and how you value what you do.

I don't worry what a customer thinks about window cleaners. Either they want them done at the price I quote or they don't. I am very polite but that is what it comes down to. If a window cleaner tries to second guess what the customer may accept as a price then they will carry that uncertainty with them to the next potential customer which will come across to that potential customer in a subtle way and bit by bit, customers pick up on it and low dissapointing prices for a job well done will follow. And so it will go on to the next potential customer and so on. I have read that circular downward spiraling scenario on this forum many times that originally started off as high hopes.

I guess it comes down to confidence and belief. As I wrote above I (we - a mate and me) started out in a very unsure way. Over time, things have changed. That change includes experience. Something which only comes by both constantly pushing out personnal comfort zones and by just doing the job day in and day out. Nothing can replace experience except for the privelidged few of which I am not one.

Also, I must not forget an optomistic outlook. Stick at it and anyone serious enough will get there in the end.

Cheers

geefree

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2006, 01:10:54 am »
Good advice,

What dont you understand?

the any stories bit?

That was pointing back to my original post .

Gary

rosskesava

Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 01:21:35 am »
Oh...

My mistake. Sorry about that.

Cheers

Paul Coleman

Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 08:13:37 am »
Most of the wealthy and most of the richest area's, excluding exclusive area's in central London are in the North. The wealthiest area in the UK is Manchester.

Where I live in Brighton is not even in the the top 100 yet we get good prices. I think there is more to it than just the area because I know window cleaners around here who charge peanuts. A few, I don't know how they make enough to live on.

Also, where I live has the second highest cost of living outside of London.

I know I'll come in for a lot of flack, but I think prices have more to do with the w/c's attitude towards pricing than in the main, where they live.

Where I live is on a council housing estate. The going price around here is £4 or £5 a house. We charge £12.50. Most nights we do 4 or 5 on the way home. They take under 10 minutes each for 3 of us. They are just 'add ons' at the end of the day. 100% pure profit.

Why do we get £12.50 when other window cleaners don't?

When I started window cleaning I started in the area where I still live, I charged at £3 a house.
Ross.  I do agree with you that much (but not all) of the pricing is about W/C attitude.  Since I learned to refuse work that didn't earn me enough or had poor access things have got a lot better.  It took me ages to learn that it's OK to be turned down on more than half my quotes.  The result of that is that the work I DO get now is usually of a fairly good quality.

geefree

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Re: PREVIOUS JOBS COMPARISON
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 05:56:28 pm »
well back to my heading of this post lol,

guess no one up here eh  ::)