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groundhog

Re: how much water
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2006, 10:56:20 pm »
Neil if thats the case then why do the water companies want us to use less water? The fact is that our weather pattern is changing and we are more prone to droughts, and sooner or later they are going to catch up with all of us window cleaners who are now using many thousands of gallons of water for a non essential service! :(  They are either going to levy hefty charges for excessive use of water or ban it all together, and thats a fact :-\

groundhog

Re: how much water
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2006, 10:59:42 pm »
Sorry butterbean that my opinion is different from yours, but thats life ;)

pjulk

Re: how much water
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2006, 12:19:37 am »
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and sooner or later they are going to catch up with all of us window cleaners who are now using many thousands of gallons of water for a non essential service!

The water boards know how much window cleaners with a WFP system use.
And they know roughly how many people are using them.
The water we are using is nothing to them.
Each water board wastes more water per day than we would all use in a year with WFP.

Paul

JM123

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Re: how much water
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2006, 09:30:02 pm »
interesting fact - apparently it takes 23 ltrs of water to make one 500ml bottle of coca-cola!!  (water used in cooling machines etc), water is the most plentiful natural resource we have and the natural cycles that take place every day are constantly regenerating it.

Again Groundhog has tried to turn this into a trad v wfp dispute.

Stop being a child and just get on with life.
Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I

JM123

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Re: how much water
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2006, 12:37:20 am »
Groundhog, I never professed to being an expert on the climate - however my sister does (BSc Hons, PGCE with commendation and MSc with distinction - Geography) and she has agreed with what I said.  Funnily enough her fiance (BSc Biological Science, MSc with distinction) also agrees wholeheartedly.  Think they might know a thing too about earth.
Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I

groundhog

Re: how much water
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2006, 09:27:20 am »
Sorry but big words and letters after peoples names does not impress me at all ;D  Why are hosepipes banned at the moment in many areas? because we are in the middle of a drought, and if it carries on they will ban us too. And I don't think that anyone can deny that wfp is a waste of water. To be constructive I think we should all make an effort to use less water, for instance by doing tops only wfp and downstairs trad, this will at least show the public and the Water Authorities that we care about the enviroment and are making an effort to conserve water :)

PS say hi to Archie for me next time your in the village ;D ;D ;D

Sir Squeaky

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Re: how much water
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2006, 12:00:01 pm »
PS say hi to Archie for me next time your in the village ;D ;D ;D
I worry about Archie in his pink clothes and pink house.....

On the topic though, if hosepipes are banned, then wfp is too.(or should be).

It is a hosepipe! With a broom attached. ::)

groundhog

Re: how much water
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2006, 01:02:39 pm »
Exactly Squeaky!
I also worry abut Archie, he must get very drafty in that kilt ;D

JM123

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Re: how much water
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2006, 06:14:09 pm »
do the tops with wfp and the downstairs trad?

Sorry mate, ok maybe if I was in a drought area I would maybe consider it - but I'm not, I'm in an area thats plagued by rain.

As for water shortages, we all know who's fault that is.  When all the large firms stop using water then I'll stop too, until then not a chance.
Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I

Ian_Giles

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Re: how much water
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2006, 06:35:19 pm »
this has gone off topic somewhat, but the debate about water is a good one.

interesting fact - apparently it takes 23 ltrs of water to make one 500ml bottle of coca-cola!!  (water used in cooling machines etc), water is the most plentiful natural resource we have and the natural cycles that take place every day are constantly regenerating it.

Any factory making drinks coca cola or otherwise use an absolutely prodigious volume of water every day.
HUGE :o
They would only have to turn off the taps for an hour and they would save more water in that time than all the WFP windows cleaners in the same county would use in 12 months.
A local brewery uses many millions of litres of water per year.

How many WFP window cleaners are there in your town? Half a dozen??
The average WFPer uses about 250l per day.
I'm from Chepstow, and I only know of 4 window cleaners who live in our town that have WFP.
Of the 4 of us I reckon I use the most water, and I rarely use much more than 300 litres a day.
How much water do you reckon the man on the street will use when he washes the car and uses his garden hose connwected to the mains?
With the tap full on and if he (or she) takes ten minutes to clean the car they will use more water than I will use in a day of window cleaning.
Though the summer in an average town of 10,000 people I wonder how many of them get the hose out to wash their car on any given day?

Even worse of course is the householder who has the garden sprinkler going for a few hours watering the lawn.
Just one individual in a town of 10,000 people will will use more water in that single day than I would use in a month, and of course it will never be just the one householder washing his car (or hers) or watering the lawn.

WFP use is barely a drop in the ocean.

And nobody compares even closely to the water companies themselves :o :o :o

Over the last 25 years water lost through leaks has actually gone up and not down :o

How the hell can that happen? ;)?
Since the big drought of 76 you would have thought the alarm bells would have rang loud and clear, but no...the shareholders and not the customer come first, profit, profit, profit!

It incenses me when these morons advertise on telly and tell me to conserve water when they waste it like it is going out of fashion.

A month or 2 ago I was working in a street (Kingsmark Avenue for any Chepstow guys reading this) that had a big leak.
Not slaging off the water company here by the way, they had someone there to check it out within an hour or so.
But at one point he opened up some mains valve in the street while he checked out the leak further down the street.
This was gushing out water for perhaps 10 or 15 minutes, I've no doubt it was sone for a specific reason, so once again this isn't a dig a the guy who did it.
But my god! it was like a river!!
In just those ten or fifteen minutes many thousands of litres of water went spewing out into the roads and down the gutters.

The leak itself, which was lower down the road was repaired in a day or two, which was a pretty quick response time I thought, but for every minute of the time that main was leaking it was pushing out way more water than you could do if you had all the taps turned on in your house!

And there are tens of thousands of these leaks happening all the time.

WFP wasteful ?? No way.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Sir Squeaky

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Re: how much water
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2006, 06:41:09 pm »
I'm from Chepstow, and I only know of 4 window cleaners who live in our town that have WFP.
Funny how figures get manipulated to suit the arguement.....

A while back when you and Tosh were slating me for being "the odd one out" there was "At least 8 or 10 wfp users around Chepstow"......

Now it's about water wasting there's only 4! ;D

Sir Squeaky

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Re: how much water
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2006, 06:45:17 pm »
Any factory making drinks coca cola or otherwise use an absolutely prodigious volume of water every day.
HUGE :o
The point is that there's no other way of making drinks.

There's a far more ecologically sound way of cleaning windows.

Besides, a lot of people would be gutted if soft drinks disappeared for a while.
Don't think they really give much of a toss how their windows are cleaned.
Or if they're not even cleaned at all.....


Ian_Giles

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Re: how much water
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2006, 06:55:02 pm »
I'm not suggesting they should stop making soft drinks, but if for one hour a day they ceased production, in a single week they would save more water than all the WFP users in the country combined.
Or if they cut production in the drought areas by 1% the savings in water would make what that county's WFP users use pail into insignificance.

And the same could apply to all the other major water users.

WFP is such piddling small fry, to be quite honest, saying they should be banned to save water is ludicrous in the extreme.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

JM123

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Re: how much water
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2006, 08:15:44 pm »
couldn't agree with you more Ian.

Why the debate about using water anyway?  Squeeky etc if you want to be extreme then what about the environmental damage your gg3/4/fairy solution does to the environment?  No-one makes a fuss because it is minimal - and so is water wastage from wfp, minimal.

But again its funny how the trad only guys have started another anti-wfp thread and before you go off on your high horse I use trad too, not a big lot anymore but for some of my best payers (shops) I still use trad, makes a break from the pole and I enjoy it still.
Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I