[Perfect Windows]

I think you have to be very careful advising others to do this.

While it sounds a good way of teaching a thief a lesson, the thief/thieves could sue you for  causing personal injury.

Remember the farmer who shot a thief on his property? He was charged with murder if memory serves me.

Someone in our village put up an electric barbed wire fence around his property. He was told he had to put up warning signs advising thieves they could get electrocuted.

There's a vast amount of Daily Express twaddle that's ended up in the minds of people as fact.

My brother has just retired as a criminal defence solicitor. He regularly had clients who had clearly had seven bells knocked out of them by householders. The Police would never, ever investigate. Ever. No matter how badly damaged the criminal was. No matter what you're told, the police aren't on the side of criminals.

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

The signs on the fence might just have been required to stop innocents from electrocuting themselves. Sounds to me like it has been translated after the event to say it was to protect thieves.

Vin

[EandM]

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

"Excuse me, would you mind awfully just turning around? Thank you."

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

When I joined the Prison Service in 1990 after the riots, they were instructed to change the regime in favour of the criminals. That was the bottom of the cycle and it slowly trended up in favour of the criminals rather than the victims. Now we are at the top of the cycle and it is slowly changing in favour of the victims which was shown after the riots. Prison works, even the politicians know this but it costs a grand a week to keep a person in prison.
Gov knows if they turn their back on crime then it just gets worse until there is a tipping point which I believe has been reached. I study the sentences criminals get and they have slowly risen to the point that some folk will never be released. This is what I have noticed but I study cycles. WFP has been growing for 20 years down south but has just started up here about 10 years ago and that was slow as a snail. It meant it was good for me but trying to change customers opinion was pretty hard. fwiw 

[Tam1872]

I think you have to be very careful advising others to do this.

While it sounds a good way of teaching a thief a lesson, the thief/thieves could sue you for  causing personal injury.

Remember the farmer who shot a thief on his property? He was charged with murder if memory serves me.

Someone in our village put up an electric barbed wire fence around his property. He was told he had to put up warning signs advising thieves they could get electrocuted.

There's a vast amount of Daily Express twaddle that's ended up in the minds of people as fact.

My brother has just retired as a criminal defence solicitor. He regularly had clients who had clearly had seven bells knocked out of them by householders. The Police would never, ever investigate. Ever. No matter how badly damaged the criminal was. No matter what you're told, the police aren't on the side of criminals.

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

The signs on the fence might just have been required to stop innocents from electrocuting themselves. Sounds to me like it has been translated after the event to say it was to protect thieves.

Vin

In the unlikely event someone did try rob me, when I got my first house I bought a baseball bat and knife and whatever house I've been in its always kept in the nearest cupboard to my bed, I have zero intentions of ever using them and I really don't want to ever be in a position where they have to get used either. If I had to use them to defend myself from an intruder they would be used though.  Everyone should have something they can get to relatively quickly incase they find themselves in a scenario where they have to defend themselves in there own home.

[windowswashed]

Worth remembering some key fobs have a panic alarm button you can press if you hear an intruder trying to get in to your van in the dead of night so keep it close to where you sleep.
I'm lucky my dog growls like mad when anyone approaches regardless what time of night or early morning it is, not even the postman can walk past the house without the dog knowing someone is about.
Got a doorbell camera and several pan zoom cameras that track any movement and send it to hard disk and the cloud for storage, good deterrent which has my car, van, garage and shed monitored at all times.

[Slacky]

Tony Martin died last week.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

I was getting a hard time from a neighbour. The moment I came in she would shout over the fence all sort of stuff. The police told me to get a camera that records voice and they will charge her. I did what they said, told her work what I had done so she would be aware. I didn't want her to lose her job and pension but it was becoming constant.
The moment I put up the camera and a sign next to it, she was as quiet as a mouse. That was 3 years ago and it records my back decking 24 hours a day. Humans are not daft, when they know they will get caught they change.
CCTV is great and audio is even better but it does cost a fair bit. Its a wired system so no wifi involved because all folk do is carry a blocker from ebay which stops the recording. One of my neighbour's door got tried at 2 in the afternoon and he ran out to chase the young guy. He went in to check his doorbell and the bit with the guy coming to the door and leaving was missing. He now has a wired system.

[EandM]

I don't know if the Tony Martin case in itself was the demarkation line or if it simply reflected a breakdown in society, but from living in the countryside since 1970 I do know that prior to the publicity surrounding the incident, farm break-ins, here anyway, were quite rare.

The understanding was simply that farmers have dogs and farmers have guns. That In itself was a deterrent.

The fallout from Tony Martin effectively removed that deterrent from the collective minds of the lowlifes who then seemed to gain a new boldness.

Initial criminality thereafter was usually limited to the theft of Quad Bikes, chainsaws, power tools or anything that could removed relatively easily.

As the law now seems to have largely given up on enforcing such matters, subsequent criminality has  progressed to stealing farm vehicles, thousands of litres of heating oil and violence.

As most farms are some distance from any potential law enforcement response times and the number of available Officers has been cut, the future is not looking good.
 

[Bungle]

I don't know if the Tony Martin case in itself was the demarkation line or if it simply reflected a breakdown in society, but from living in the countryside since 1970 I do know that prior to the publicity surrounding the incident, farm break-ins, here anyway, were quite rare.

The understanding was simply that farmers have dogs and farmers have guns. That In itself was a deterrent.

The fallout from Tony Martin effectively removed that deterrent from the collective minds of the lowlifes who then seemed to gain a new boldness.

Initial criminality thereafter was usually limited to the theft of Quad Bikes, chainsaws, power tools or anything that could removed relatively easily.

As the law now seems to have largely given up on enforcing such matters, subsequent criminality has  progressed to stealing farm vehicles, thousands of litres of heating oil and violence.

As most farms are some distance from any potential law enforcement response times and the number of available Officers has been cut, the future is not looking good.

Imagine you live in a remote location far away from help and some lowlife decides to come to your property in the middle of the night to steal things from you and possibly hurt you if they don't get their way. I'd be protecting number one first and worrying about consequences later on.

RIP Tony Martin.

[NBwcs]

I think you have to be very careful advising others to do this.

While it sounds a good way of teaching a thief a lesson, the thief/thieves could sue you for  causing personal injury.

Remember the farmer who shot a thief on his property? He was charged with murder if memory serves me.

Someone in our village put up an electric barbed wire fence around his property. He was told he had to put up warning signs advising thieves they could get electrocuted.

There's a vast amount of Daily Express twaddle that's ended up in the minds of people as fact.

My brother has just retired as a criminal defence solicitor. He regularly had clients who had clearly had seven bells knocked out of them by householders. The Police would never, ever investigate. Ever. No matter how badly damaged the criminal was. No matter what you're told, the police aren't on the side of criminals.

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

The signs on the fence might just have been required to stop innocents from electrocuting themselves. Sounds to me like it has been translated after the event to say it was to protect thieves.

Vin

In the unlikely event someone did try rob me, when I got my first house I bought a baseball bat and knife and whatever house I've been in its always kept in the nearest cupboard to my bed, I have zero intentions of ever using them and I really don't want to ever be in a position where they have to get used either. If I had to use them to defend myself from an intruder they would be used though.  Everyone should have something they can get to relatively quickly incase they find themselves in a scenario where they have to defend themselves in there own home.

Having a baseball bat in your house is a terrible idea, totally premeditated,only one reason anyone in this county buys a baseball bat. You need to get more imagitive Tam, have a look for some everyday heavy item already in your house that could be of great assistance to you in an emergency. Then your just "picking up the nearest thing " to defend yourself. I may have lazily not cleared away an offcut from a solid wood curtain pole which has just got kicked under the bed..  "i didnt know it was there my lord", "1st thing i came accross" 

[Tam1872]

I think you have to be very careful advising others to do this.

While it sounds a good way of teaching a thief a lesson, the thief/thieves could sue you for  causing personal injury.

Remember the farmer who shot a thief on his property? He was charged with murder if memory serves me.

Someone in our village put up an electric barbed wire fence around his property. He was told he had to put up warning signs advising thieves they could get electrocuted.

There's a vast amount of Daily Express twaddle that's ended up in the minds of people as fact.

My brother has just retired as a criminal defence solicitor. He regularly had clients who had clearly had seven bells knocked out of them by householders. The Police would never, ever investigate. Ever. No matter how badly damaged the criminal was. No matter what you're told, the police aren't on the side of criminals.

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

The signs on the fence might just have been required to stop innocents from electrocuting themselves. Sounds to me like it has been translated after the event to say it was to protect thieves.

Vin

In the unlikely event someone did try rob me, when I got my first house I bought a baseball bat and knife and whatever house I've been in its always kept in the nearest cupboard to my bed, I have zero intentions of ever using them and I really don't want to ever be in a position where they have to get used either. If I had to use them to defend myself from an intruder they would be used though.  Everyone should have something they can get to relatively quickly incase they find themselves in a scenario where they have to defend themselves in there own home.

Having a baseball bat in your house is a terrible idea, totally premeditated,only one reason anyone in this county buys a baseball bat. You need to get more imagitive Tam, have a look for some everyday heavy item already in your house that could be of great assistance to you in an emergency. Then your just "picking up the nearest thing " to defend yourself. I may have lazily not cleared away an offcut from a solid wood curtain pole which has just got kicked under the bed..  "i didnt know it was there my lord", "1st thing i came accross" 

I might be a keen baseball player though, i think everyone should have a bat etc tucked away somewhere for a worst case scenario type,  id never in a million years even consider hitting someone with a baseball bat in any other situation than someone breaking into my house.  Just in case people think im some bat swinging maniac, thats really not the case. 

[tlwcs]

I think you have to be very careful advising others to do this.

While it sounds a good way of teaching a thief a lesson, the thief/thieves could sue you for  causing personal injury.

Remember the farmer who shot a thief on his property? He was charged with murder if memory serves me.

Someone in our village put up an electric barbed wire fence around his property. He was told he had to put up warning signs advising thieves they could get electrocuted.

There's a vast amount of Daily Express twaddle that's ended up in the minds of people as fact.

My brother has just retired as a criminal defence solicitor. He regularly had clients who had clearly had seven bells knocked out of them by householders. The Police would never, ever investigate. Ever. No matter how badly damaged the criminal was. No matter what you're told, the police aren't on the side of criminals.

Tony Martin sat in waiting and shot a burglar in the back. Even the police couldn't ignore that and he deserved his sentence for cold-blooded murder.

The signs on the fence might just have been required to stop innocents from electrocuting themselves. Sounds to me like it has been translated after the event to say it was to protect thieves.

Vin

In the unlikely event someone did try rob me, when I got my first house I bought a baseball bat and knife and whatever house I've been in its always kept in the nearest cupboard to my bed, I have zero intentions of ever using them and I really don't want to ever be in a position where they have to get used either. If I had to use them to defend myself from an intruder they would be used though.  Everyone should have something they can get to relatively quickly incase they find themselves in a scenario where they have to defend themselves in there own home.

Having a baseball bat in your house is a terrible idea, totally premeditated,only one reason anyone in this county buys a baseball bat. You need to get more imagitive Tam, have a look for some everyday heavy item already in your house that could be of great assistance to you in an emergency. Then your just "picking up the nearest thing " to defend yourself. I may have lazily not cleared away an offcut from a solid wood curtain pole which has just got kicked under the bed..  "i didnt know it was there my lord", "1st thing i came accross" 

I might be a keen baseball player though, i think everyone should have a bat etc tucked away somewhere for a worst case scenario type,  id never in a million years even consider hitting someone with a baseball bat in any other situation than someone breaking into my house.  Just in case people think im some bat swinging maniac, thats really not the case.

I’m more worried about you swinging  😁