[Crystal-clear]

What I do is pay the cleaners the minimum wage. everything they earn each day above that is a percentage of the worksheet, so the more they do the more they earn. Then we pay a bonus at the end of the month if they have met a turnover target for that month. The target is currently £6250.00 soon to be moving up to £6500.

That means they are always pushing to do more as they will earn more and have a monthly goal to reach.

On top of that we have a strike system in place that means if they too many stikes in a month they start loosing their bonus. Strikes are things like late, calling in sick on the day and so on, anything I dont want to see ect.

Bottom line, if my guys do less they get paid less.

My highest earner last month turned over £8500! His gross pay was £2850 which is the yearly equivilent of almost £35K a year.

good system.
works out to 33% on 8.5k prob leaves you a simialr profit after vat!
the strike stuff would be risky in paye contract employment terms but luckily you don't have that issue.It would be awesome to have the air cleared about that subject to be frank i think its the only way to employee in this job for small companys who cant afford a HR department.A mate of mine whos in the trade wants to change his employee to self employed also.

[Lee Pryor]

Its not a problem for my paye cleaners??? A bonus can be paid at the managers discretion as can commision % which is exactly the wording I have in my contracts. The only thing any of us have to pay staff is the minimum wage, beyond that its up to you!

[Crystal-clear]

Its not a problem for my paye cleaners??? A bonus can be paid at the managers discretion as can commision % which is exactly the wording I have in my contracts. The only thing any of us have to pay staff is the minimum wage, beyond that its up to you!

Oh everyones on Paye? or self employment didn't really want to ask directly like this sorry! know someone who used to work for you a while ago tho.but i heard you have it totally sorted.i also know another firm there're full ladder but have around 20 people working for them and they help them sort there own tax returns in the office.
ofcourse 20 ladder men is at most 3 wfp vans 

[deeege]

Thanks for prompt reply I'm based in Blackpool so price per hour are much less than down south for 3 bed semi is £10.00 to £12.00 . This I feel is the problem they work a 7 hour day I pay them £80 .I'm not vat reg as just under the freshhold both vans are paid for fuel bill £60.00 Per van per month other expenses are equipment van servicing advertising accountancy fees is £20.00 Per day

Everyone says it’s less money up north but there’s a guy on Facebook called Adam Pauley that moved up to Darlington I think from Oxford and he took his Oxford pricing with him and he’s doing brilliantly. There ought to be more disposable income as housing is so much cheaper. I think it just needs some balls.

Cheaper housing doesn’t really mean more disposable income when you consider that the average salary in Blackpool is £20 and bag of crisps.

[paul alan]

Take their contracts away and give them new ones.

I have one here you can look at if you like, all done properly.

£8 per hour basic, then up to £4 per hour in bonuses paid at the director's discretion.

[Don Kee]

Thanks for prompt reply I'm based in Blackpool so price per hour are much less than down south for 3 bed semi is £10.00 to £12.00 . This I feel is the problem they work a 7 hour day I pay them £80 .I'm not vat reg as just under the freshhold both vans are paid for fuel bill £60.00 Per van per month other expenses are equipment van servicing advertising accountancy fees is £20.00 Per day

Everyone says it’s less money up north but there’s a guy on Facebook called Adam Pauley that moved up to Darlington I think from Oxford and he took his Oxford pricing with him and he’s doing brilliantly. There ought to be more disposable income as housing is so much cheaper. I think it just needs some balls.

Cheaper housing doesn’t really mean more disposable income when you consider that the average salary in Blackpool is £20 and bag of crisps.

Wages have gone up then?
Used to be two bob and a conker!

[Stoots]

Blackpool is one of the poorest areas in the country. It's an absolute hole.

[Shrek]

Blackpool is one of the poorest areas in the country. It's an absolute hole.

Maybe SOME of Blackpool is but you have that all over the country.
There is ALOT of wealthy areas in Blackpool too , you’ve just got to target these areas instead like lytham etc

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-49176588.html

[Stoots]

I said Blackpool mate not Lytham

There's some really nice areas around Blackpool, lytham and further inland nice little villages etc as you go towards the M6.

But Blackpool itself, the seafront area and the rows of terraces behind in and around the town is an absolute dive. It has or did have the highest unemployment rate in the country, lowest housing prices. A quick Google search will show you the levels of poverty in Blackpool.

[Walter Mitty]

My highest earner last month turned over £8500!

Thanks for this, Lee.  Although I'm a sole trader, It gives me some idea of the area at which I should be aiming.  I would have to knock off one sixth though (VAT) to compare like for like.  If I allow for me being a bit older and creakier than your guys, maybe I should be thinking in terms of £7k a month minus that one sixth which would give me a turnover target of around £5,833.  I'm short of that by a long way but could attain it with a full workload.  I would be well happy with that.
It's time for me to awaken and smell the coffee.

[Lee Pryor]

My highest earner last month turned over £8500!

Thanks for this, Lee.  Although I'm a sole trader, It gives me some idea of the area at which I should be aiming.  I would have to knock off one sixth though (VAT) to compare like for like.  If I allow for me being a bit older and creakier than your guys, maybe I should be thinking in terms of £7k a month minus that one sixth which would give me a turnover target of around £5,833.  I'm short of that by a long way but could attain it with a full workload.  I would be well happy with that.
It's time for me to awaken and smell the coffee.

This is extreamly rare. Normal month is more like £6.5k anythin over that is very good. This person had a gutter vac for the month and did higher priced work on a lot  of days. Hes also 28 years old and was out the door 6.30-7am 5 days a week and worked a Sat in the month.

[John Mart]

My highest earner last month turned over £8500!

Thanks for this, Lee.  Although I'm a sole trader, It gives me some idea of the area at which I should be aiming.  I would have to knock off one sixth though (VAT) to compare like for like.  If I allow for me being a bit older and creakier than your guys, maybe I should be thinking in terms of £7k a month minus that one sixth which would give me a turnover target of around £5,833.  I'm short of that by a long way but could attain it with a full workload.  I would be well happy with that.
It's time for me to awaken and smell the coffee.

Yeah, but you aren’t going to work that hard are you? Day in, day out? Assume the chap’s 24/25.

[NWH]

That 24-25 year old will also wake up 1 day soon when he realises he can turn that 6-700£ a week into 1500 on his own 😂 😂

[Shrek]

I said Blackpool mate not Lytham

There's some really nice areas around Blackpool, lytham and further inland nice little villages etc as you go towards the M6.

But Blackpool itself, the seafront area and the rows of terraces behind in and around the town is an absolute dive. It has or did have the highest unemployment rate in the country, lowest housing prices. A quick Google search will show you the levels of poverty in Blackpool.

I know what your saying but Iv worked in Blackpool and some of the houses were stunning. Yeah you’ve got to stay away from those areas but that’s the case everywhere- you stay away from council/ crap areas

[NWH]

All places  have nice areas all over the country lol Blackpool smells of fish and chips 😂,Blackpool has the highest amount  of takeaways in the country at a number of about 1500 I believe says it all.

[AuRavelling79]

I have split this thread so that the discussion re: employed and  self employed status is continued under the "Split Thread" heading.