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Spruce

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2018, 07:34:42 am »
Gas must be a big worry for anyone contemplating it.

A hog roast van caught fire on Teesside park this weekend, blamed on a gas leak. They cooled the 4 x 15kg gas cylinders to prevent an explosion.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/watch-incredible-moment-firefighter-reaches-14881127

They usually store the gas cylinders outside with catering trailers, but this is a van, so I can only imagine they were stored inside the unit.

One of the local lads had a gas leak and it was a faulty regulator. That scared him and he removed the system from his van.
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dazmond

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2018, 08:07:15 am »
when i had a  gas leak it was like a firework going off.( loud bang and flash of fire)..... :o ::)roll

my local gas engineers had been telling me to take it out for years......lesson learned.....
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Slacky

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2018, 08:54:52 am »
I had a gas engineer tell me an L5 strapped in a van was nuts. The fact that theres an ignition source (your WFP battery) was the thing that stuck in my mind the most, and it proved to be correct. I also had an explosion, albeit as minimal as possible, but it frightened the crap out of me.

nathankaye

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2018, 09:21:36 am »
It always amazes me, that even with all these examples of explosions or leaks that people still think it won't happen to them and that they somehow know better.
Don't know if I'm just slightly sadistic but I hope these ones experience it going wrong soon. Not for it  to danger their's or other's life's but enough for them to know. It's the same for the idiotic drivers who seem to think it's OK to overtake on bends or as you approach the brow of an hill (obvious no clear sight of oncoming traffic) or that it's OK to travel 40 or 50 in 30mph zones.  Everyday they get away with it the braver // stupider they become thinking its OK to do so.
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2018, 03:24:59 pm »
How would you feel if yours went boom outside a school at closing time.   Or maybe how would you feel if someone put your children at risk?
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Dry Clean

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2018, 08:23:54 pm »
It always amazes me, that even with all these examples of explosions or leaks that people still think it won't happen to them and that they somehow know better.
Don't know if I'm just slightly sadistic but I hope these ones experience it going wrong soon. Not for it  to danger their's or other's life's but enough for them to know. It's the same for the idiotic drivers who seem to think it's OK to overtake on bends or as you approach the brow of an hill (obvious no clear sight of oncoming traffic) or that it's OK to travel 40 or 50 in 30mph zones.  Everyday they get away with it the braver // stupider they become thinking its OK to do so.
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Tell that to all the caravan users, motorhome users, mobile chippy users, welders and so on who use and carry gas in their vehicles all the time, anything can be dangerous in the wrong hands.


robert mitchell

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 am »
It always amazes me, that even with all these examples of explosions or leaks that people still think it won't happen to them and that they somehow know better.
Don't know if I'm just slightly sadistic but I hope these ones experience it going wrong soon. Not for it  to danger their's or other's life's but enough for them to know. It's the same for the idiotic drivers who seem to think it's OK to overtake on bends or as you approach the brow of an hill (obvious no clear sight of oncoming traffic) or that it's OK to travel 40 or 50 in 30mph zones.  Everyday they get away with it the braver // stupider they become thinking its OK to do so.
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Tell that to all the caravan users, motorhome users, mobile chippy users, welders and so on who use and carry gas in their vehicles all the time, anything can be dangerous in the wrong hands.

caravans , motor homes , mobile food vans have to have the gas bottle fitted in its own compartment with a vent hole in the bottom to stop gas build up if there is a leak .........not a crappy chinese boiler hung on a door by a an unqualified window cleaner , they also have to be installed by a gas safe engineer and checked annually .
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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2018, 06:48:41 am »
It always amazes me, that even with all these examples of explosions or leaks that people still think it won't happen to them and that they somehow know better.
Don't know if I'm just slightly sadistic but I hope these ones experience it going wrong soon. Not for it  to danger their's or other's life's but enough for them to know. It's the same for the idiotic drivers who seem to think it's OK to overtake on bends or as you approach the brow of an hill (obvious no clear sight of oncoming traffic) or that it's OK to travel 40 or 50 in 30mph zones.  Everyday they get away with it the braver // stupider they become thinking its OK to do so.
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Tell that to all the caravan users, motorhome users, mobile chippy users, welders and so on who use and carry gas in their vehicles all the time, anything can be dangerous in the wrong hands.

caravans , motor homes , mobile food vans have to have the gas bottle fitted in its own compartment with a vent hole in the bottom to stop gas build up if there is a leak .........not a crappy chinese boiler hung on a door by a an unqualified window cleaner , they also have to be installed by a gas safe engineer and checked annually .


Very few caravan and motorhome owners have their gas systems checked annually, that said you are right when you say the
systems are installed correctly which is what makes the difference.

Spruce

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2018, 07:33:16 am »
If memory serves me Daz said his gas leak developed in the heater itself.

But my mates leak was from inside the regulator and that filled the van with gas. I've since heard a few reports of failed gas regulators. If the regulator leaks in a caravan application the gas bottle is outside of the living area so the gas will escape to the atmosphere.
The problem with most windie application is that the gas bottle is inside the van. In a motorhome the gas bottles are in a separate compartment accessable from the outside and sealed to the inside with a vent hole in the floor. 

When a vehicle is converted to LPG the gas tank is usually fitted in the boot. The regulator and filler fittings are in a sealed enclosure on the side of the tank and vented to the outside of the vehicle.

How many window cleaners using gas heaters switch the gas off at the gas bottle every time they move the van to the next clean?

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2018, 08:06:11 am »
It was the lack of a flue and not a leak that got Dazmond, what happens is at times the heater will take a little longer than needed to ignite so you then get a small build up of gas which goes off in a flame burst, thats what hit Dazmond in the face, in caravans and so on this would just travel up the flue and never be noticed.

Slacky

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2018, 08:32:51 am »
In reference to the thread title, 'best' and 'cheapest' do not equate.

dazmond

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2018, 08:46:40 am »
It was the lack of a flue and not a leak that got Dazmond, what happens is at times the heater will take a little longer than needed to ignite so you then get a small build up of gas which goes off in a flame burst, thats what hit Dazmond in the face, in caravans and so on this would just travel up the flue and never be noticed.



i had a leak.....turned heater on (last job of the day) and BOOM!a very loud bang and flash of fire......lots of time the heater wouldnt ignite straight away and i got a little flame burst but nothing to worry about....

anyway i dont care now...i would never use a gas shower heater for window cleaning ever again.....

anyone contemplating doing so go ahead do what you want.....glad its your van and not mine....... ;D
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2018, 09:18:35 am »
Sorry but if comparing to a caravan system you are living in a dream world.  It's always concealed in a seperate compartment accessable from the outside. In the event of a leak the gas will divert outside.  Its also  kept seperate from anything electric opposite side from battery.  So not even a switch is inside the gas compartment.  Plus it's regulated by law.
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Dry Clean

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2018, 10:36:52 am »
Sorry but if comparing to a caravan system you are living in a dream world.  It's always concealed in a seperate compartment accessable from the outside. In the event of a leak the gas will divert outside.  Its also  kept seperate from anything electric opposite side from battery.  So not even a switch is inside the gas compartment.  Plus it's regulated by law.

I'm not talking about is a botched DIY job such as Dazmonds, I'm talking about a DIY job where a reliable heater is
fitted properly, obviously this will include a heater flue and a vented container for the gas bottle.
The point I'm making is just like a caravans a gas system will be safe if done right.

Jonny 87

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2018, 12:47:10 pm »
Sorry but if comparing to a caravan system you are living in a dream world.  It's always concealed in a seperate compartment accessable from the outside. In the event of a leak the gas will divert outside.  Its also  kept seperate from anything electric opposite side from battery.  So not even a switch is inside the gas compartment.  Plus it's regulated by law.

I'm not talking about is a botched DIY job such as Dazmonds, I'm talking about a DIY job where a reliable heater is
fitted properly, obviously this will include a heater flue and a vented container for the gas bottle.
The point I'm making is just like a caravans a gas system will be safe if done right.

I’m yet to see a van kitted out properly to caravan spec with LPG.

There was a company doing it a while ago. I think they have now stopped.......
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The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2018, 01:15:28 pm »
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/lpg/

Just make sure you have your your inspection done and have a current gas certificate.
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dazmond

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2018, 05:19:23 pm »
either stick with cold OR

fit an immersion to your tank/splash out and get a webasto diesel heater fitted.....

GAS SHOWER HEATERS SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION.....ive noticed most suppliers dont sell them anymore.....i wonder why? ;D
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Dry Clean

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2018, 08:25:18 pm »
either stick with cold OR

fit an immersion to your tank/splash out and get a webasto diesel heater fitted.....

GAS SHOWER HEATERS SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION.....ive noticed most suppliers dont sell them anymore.....i wonder why? ;D

Too expensive and not enough demand, ( I think the Sureclean model was around £3k ) a bottle of snake oil will give you the same placebo for about £20.

GordonUK

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2018, 12:07:03 pm »
I use a propane camping shower unit to heat water from 1000l water tank. Piece of cake on demand water. No really bad issues really, sometimes I think it may cause an airlock (haven’t got a clue why) and then I have a bit of messing around clearing it but better that than paying 5k!, cost me about £250!!

Which propane camping shower unit did you buy Sid? And how is it fitted? And have you got a link for this product please?

Cheers.

dazmond

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Re: best And cheapest methods to heat water
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2018, 12:32:45 pm »
I use a propane camping shower unit to heat water from 1000l water tank. Piece of cake on demand water. No really bad issues really, sometimes I think it may cause an airlock (haven’t got a clue why) and then I have a bit of messing around clearing it but better that than paying 5k!, cost me about £250!!

Which propane camping shower unit did you buy Sid? And how is it fitted? And have you got a link for this product please?

Cheers.

sids dead mate...  due to gas explosion.....RIP sid....... :(
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