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Pod

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Pump Problem P5 ???
« on: February 17, 2017, 09:03:03 am »
Hi Lads need your help big time
Got a problem with my pump,water is getting to pump but none out other side to di ...
Keeps flashing p5,was working on/off but now nothing.I read here maybe pressure switch,where is that ?? also i checked wiring and all seems ok,just seems air locked (or is it the pump is knackered,its about just under 2 years old)
 

Simon Trapani

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 09:14:06 am »
Connect your pole up, turn on water, crank up flow to full. You should get flow. Then re-calibrate controller.

Pod

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 09:18:20 am »
Connect your pole up, turn on water, crank up flow to full. You should get flow. Then re-calibrate controller.

Thanks Simon for your reply....problem is there is no water coming out of pump to the di vessel let alone the pole,pump wont fire up just keeps fashes p5 ( and i have it up to 99)  ???

Simon Trapani

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 09:20:35 am »
Try manually recalibrating to a higher number (less sensitive) just to try get some water through. Hold up and enter on digi controller if that's what you've got.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 09:25:05 am »
Or Google 'Spring Controllers', get their number & ask for Ian Sheppard - he knows everything!


gto

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 09:40:17 am »
the pressure switch may have been failing and now failed.
you can bypass it by connecting the 2 same colour wires at the bottom together temporarily to test.

Pod

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 09:45:41 am »
the pressure switch may have been failing and now failed.
you can bypass it by connecting the 2 same colour wires at the bottom together temporarily to test.
Or Google 'Spring Controllers', get their number & ask for Ian Sheppard - he knows everything!

Great Thanks guys will try this out....gto,If it is the part that has failed can it be replaced ? or is the whole pump ?

Simon Trapani

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 09:49:08 am »
I think you can buy pressure switches - Maplins is cheapest I think.

Good luck - gotta go do some work now - was on a tea break!

NWH

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 11:00:51 am »
Push a cable tie through the tank outlet it may be blocked I've had the same problem last month.

Ian Sheppard

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 12:10:20 pm »
Hi Lads need your help big time
Got a problem with my pump,water is getting to pump but none out other side to di ...
Keeps flashing p5,was working on/off but now nothing.I read here maybe pressure switch,where is that ?? also i checked wiring and all seems ok,just seems air locked (or is it the pump is knackered,its about just under 2 years old)
 

Thank you guys for coming in on this one I am a bit slow this morning.

The PS message is going to come up for one of two reasons 1st the pressure switch has activated due to high pressure. 2nd an electrical fault. 

Below is some of the causes and fault finding:
If PS is displayed, this means that the pump's pressure switch has been operated due to a high build up of pressure in your system. The controller is set to work with a 5.2 litre per minute pump up to about 100psi although it will work at higher ranges. It is worth pointing out that the controller does not activate the pump pressure switch. The controller is simply telling you the PS has opened. This will happen in because:

A. High pressure builds up in your system. The controller sets the water flow rate. The largest factors affecting pressure are jet size and hose size. The faster the flow rate and the greater the resistance to this flow, the greater the pressure. The controller monitors the build up of this pressure however it can only affect it through the flow rate you select.

B. The pump has become disconnected. Please see our wiring diagram in the user guide for correct connections. The controller checks for electrical current to the pump and if the controller cannot detect a pump in the circuit the default message is PS.

Common causes for the pressure switch operating are:

1. A restriction to the water flow, i.e. from a twisted hose.

2. Blocked or small water jets. (We recommended that the jets are no smaller than 2mm).

3. Grit or dirt trapped in the system.

4. Air trapped in the system.

5. Prolonged shut off of the water flow.

6. Check the wiring connections between the pump and controller. If there is a break or damaged connection the control can not see the pump.

7. In some case finding the restriction that has caused the high pressure is a process of elimination. Start by removing the brush and jets, does this clear the restriction? If 'no' then remove the pole hose and so on until you are back to the delivery pump outlet. Bear in mind that some hose reels have a non-return valve and in some cases these can jam causing high back pressure.

8. During very cold periods Ice can form in the Pump or hose line. Ice will obstruct the line and cause high back pressure build up. In turn this will activate the pump pressure switch.

9. Blocked Tank breather hole.
Blocking the tank breather hole can result in high pressure build up. As the tank empties the Pump will also draw air from the tank which is now effectively air tight. As air is drawn through the pump a Vacuum is created in your tank this will cause the tank contract ( Like a kids drink carton ) and high pressure in yours system.

Note: as B above:

The controller carries out an electrical test to ensure the pump and pressure switch are in the circuit. If the pump can not detect the pump due to damaged cable/connectors the control will display PS (pressure switch) as a default message. This is one of the crucial protections we put in place. The control no longer passes any current to the pump but instead retests the condition every few seconds. This prevents a dangerous condition occurring for example ( a loose moving or damaged connection touching ground (Van panels) because the controller is now limiting the energy.
Connectors and terminal blocks can also be a source of volt drop for this reason regularly inspecting your connectors replacing any that are worn or damaged is a good idea. Also check connections are secure with good contact to the copper core.
Check for any damaged cable where insulation has been chaffed exposing the copper core not only is there a risk of a short knocking out the fuse the exposed core can be a source of volt drop and become very hot in some circumstance,s this heat can be sufficient to melt insulation and fuse increasing the risk of fire.
An Issue with old connectors is corrosion something that is difficult to avoid in a wet environment such as WFP so keeping connections as dry as possible by placing cable into conduit is a good idea. Corrosion will increase the resistance of the connector and in turn volt drop across the connector.
A badly worn or corroded connector can become an energy wasting resistor. If your connectors are excessively hot they either need replacing or tightening, as your are wasting precious battery power.
The harder the pump works, the more current will be drawn. With poor connections in a system this will increase the energy lost in heat. Because Power = I*I*R (current squared multiplied by the connector's resistance). So the power lost in a bad connector is actually increasing exponentially. Compared to the energy consumed by the pump this is small. But every little helps!
A good connector should only feel warm to the touch in normal use.
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Ian Sheppard

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 12:21:33 pm »
Some good advice from Simon and GTO

If the pressure switch has failed you can bypass as mentioned above. High pressure build up can often be caused by a blockage in the system, blocked pump prefilter or even air getting in. I nave even come across a situation where the tank breather hole was blocked and this caused high pressure.

Most times it is something little causing the issue, the frustrating bit is finding the something little. 

Changing calibration can help as can altering flow rate. something ti try here is have calibration set around 45 - 50. Turn the flow rate down to zero.. ensure all taps are open so any pressure in the line can bleed off. power up the control and turn flow rate to about 30. after a few seconds if no change increase flow in steps of 10 but after each change leave the setting for a few seconds.

The reason for doing this is we have taken current draw to zero then are gradually increasing it. In some cases the may not be enough current for the control to detect the pump.

Another common issue here is electrical connections because the control is carrying out a electrical test a loose, worn or rusted connector could be the issue, Or exposed copper cable core touching metal. Ensure you battery connections are tight to in particular the Negative terminal.

Fingers crossed this will all help

you can also email me ian.sheppard@springltd.co

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Spruce

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 03:45:41 pm »
Wasn't there  a new cleaner recently who didn't realise that it was a stop connector at the end of the hose reel where the pole hose joins? Once he connected the pole into the stop connector everything worked.

 
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Ian Sheppard

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 04:35:18 pm »
Wasn't there  a new cleaner recently who didn't realise that it was a stop connector at the end of the hose reel where the pole hose joins? Once he connected the pole into the stop connector everything worked.

 

Often it can be something little like this. Its just finding it sometimes, Chances are the pump PS is ok and it is just  case of working through to find the issue.
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NWH

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 04:58:47 pm »
I had similar and nearly binned a pump because of it,turned out tank outlet was blocked and the weather was really cold and the pump needed re calibrating.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 05:49:24 pm »
Just as a side point to blockages, I've never understood why people with a van delivery system like mine, drag hoses across the floor, then dip it in their tank, contaminating it in the process with leaves & grit etc.

I still have a pump pre-filter but after nearly 6 years wfp my tank is clean as a whistle.

I never take the lid off. My static produces at 0ppm, so no need to test the van water and you can see by the poor quality attached picture that dirt cannot access the tank. Also with the 2nd tube being high, and you could even loop it, you get no spillage, like the various factory made lid vents.

Sorry the pic is sideways - I don't know how to rotate it.


Mick Kent

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Re: Pump Problem P5 ???
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 11:22:54 am »
Bump.
I need to read this later for my controller