[Kev Martin]

Hi Kevin,

Storage is the issue at the moment. When we started up in April we had very little equipment and chemicals, now we have such a lot that some is stored in our flat as I won't leave equipment in the van, and we store some in a garage we rent. We only have a Vauxhall combo crew cab van which we have also out grown. I think a Scrubber dryer for our current contract would probably be too much. I love the idea of having another piece of equipment as I love new toys, I just don't think it's practical at the moment. I have been watching a numatic twintec 345 on auction but I'm hesitant due to the above reasons.

The twintec cable machine weighs in at 67 KG  The battery operated one is closer to 130 KG  but the issue is not the weight.  Scrubber driers are cumbersome and extremely difficult to carry.  Given your storage situation and your van size it is not a viable option for you in my opinion.  If you ever get time pop in to my unit and have a go at moving one.  They won't even go up gentle slopes or ramps easily and unless the place you are working is flat they are extremely difficult to move from one area to another and especially so if there are steps or ramps between rooms they are very difficult to manoeuvre.  We have a range of the smaller battery operated ones and they take three adults to load into a van they will not even go up a ramp  into a van because it is too steep .  Stick with a Mono Rotary for now and tolerate the additional wear on the Melamine Pads is my advice.

[Paul71]

Sounds good advise. There is only me and my partner in the company so I can't picture us both attempting to get one into our van. I'll put the Scrubber dryer on hold I think until we get more contracts where a Scrubber dryer could be used and we get a bigger van. Going to see what results we get with the mono and wet vac combination.

[Tony Stewart]

Good advice from Kevin. The battery ones are a dead weight to move around and are usually kept in the same building as they are being used. The cable versions are lighter and they do come up on EBay at a reasonable price. You can get them on to a van with ramps but it's a struggle. BUT when you need to clean big areas fast it's the equivalent of a truckmount to a portable..........not for everyone but when you have one and you can use it, it's so quick!

[Paul71]

Yes I think it's something to consider buying as we grow and get more contracts. And maybe a bigger van too. For now I'm happy to use the rotary 

[Jamie Pearson]

OK  I get what you are saying!  I wonder if a Melamine pad would work better on the Klindex Maxi.  I am going to try one and I will let you know.

Kev

Here is our Tomcat in action on sandstone using a melamine. They still wear quite quickly on it if you are moving the machine quickly. Again if you have a scrubber dryer like a TOMCAT or the Tennant with the oscilating deck you get extended wear as you arent pitching the machine to move it. That said they still get more m2 out of a pad on the oscillating machines than a rotary would.
https://www.facebook.com/absolutefloorcare/videos/1113758225322101/

[Kev Martin]

OK  I get what you are saying!  I wonder if a Melamine pad would work better on the Klindex Maxi.  I am going to try one and I will let you know.

Kev

Here is our Tomcat in action on sandstone using a melamine. They still wear quite quickly on it if you are moving the machine quickly. Again if you have a scrubber dryer like a TOMCAT or the Tennant with the oscilating deck you get extended wear as you arent pitching the machine to move it. That said they still get more m2 out of a pad on the oscillating machines than a rotary would.
https://www.facebook.com/absolutefloorcare/videos/1113758225322101/

Jamie

The Klindex Maxi is an oscillating machine.  Klindex are miles down the road now with oscillating machines.  They took the Tomcat and put everything right that was wrong.  They have developed two new oscillating machines.  The Klindex Quadra and the Klindex Maxi which is round.  The new machines can be used by a 4 year old they are that easy to use and keep in a straight line with virtually no vibration.  Much Much better than what you tried when I took you to Klindex in Italy last year.

Kev

[Andy Stobbart]

Hi

We, 4Earth Solutions, do an anti slip sealer that would go down on that floor if its similar to the one pictured, if you can get to where you want it cleaning wise.

Cheers

Andy

[premier floorcare]

An anti slip sealer for safety flooring !!

[Andy Stobbart]

yep, seen a few fail ptv tests, and 'non slip tiles' too for that matter.

[Kev Martin]

All Miracle Premium Sealers have Anti Slip in them

[Terry Guilford]

Paul,

I would like Jamie or Kev to confirm this but in my experience ther is very limited use for a 400 rpm which is why you see alot for sale at cheap prices.   I suspect Kev will tell you it will have SOME use on stone used  dry but realistically how useful is that to you. This machine will more than likely sit in you unit taking up valuable space, even if it doesn't owe you much wouldn't it be better to move it on and put the money towards something that will earn you money?

I won't be in the least offended if anyone disagrees with me by the way as I have a 400 rpm machine sitting doing nothing somewher so will be happy to find there is a use for it

Terry

[Tony Stewart]

The 400 rpm speed is a faster "buffing machine" that is used to put a shine on the floor surface.
On vinyl flooring nowadays the polishes are much better and dry to a bright finish. If you use a slower machine you can achieve the polished finish but it takes forever.
As for the safety flooring sealer I am lost here. The floor is designed to grab the shoe and give because it has loads of tiny little holes in the floor which help in the adhesion of the floor to the footwear. If you put a sealer on top of the floor it will penetrate the floor and smooth the surface by filling up the holes. Even if the sealer has non slip qualities you are in my limieted experience with sealers on safety flooring, changing the fundamental properties of the design of the floor.
I would be interested in someone telling me that I am wrong. I would clean the floor let it dry and leave it at that. The floor should be returned to it's natural finish that way.

[premier floorcare]

Your right on both accounts Tony 400rpm  can be used to buff up a polished vinyl flooring or used to spray buff a floor as part of a maintenance programme. Safety flooring should never be sealed and is usually only enquired about when there is difficulty in keeping the floor clean. In which case it is the maintenance and cleaning procedure that is incorrect.

[Kev Martin]

Invariably the slip coefficient is altered due to incorrect cleaning procedures usually attributed to the famous Mop & Bucket method.  Usually down to over application of surfactant and a failure to rinse and extract corrrectly.  Once a floor is correctly cleaned the Slip coefficient is restored.  When natural stone is involved it always benefits from an impregnating / penetrating Sealer to aid future cleaning and maintenance and protect it from spills etc.  Miracle add an anti Slip to all their premium sealers to boost the Slip coefficient and it works on all natural stone floors and on some linoleums as well.  I have conducted dozens of tests using a pendulum to prove this but I openly admit I have never tested Karndean, Amtico or Altro so cannot comment on these at all.  That said we have cleaned and sealed afterwards loads of commercial kitchen floors and toilets with Altro flooring and never had a complaint.

[premier floorcare]

Think I will stand by my previous post and still advocate not sealing vinyl safety flooring.
That is unless anyone can show me a safety flooring manufacturer  that says it's OK 

[Kev Martin]

Think I will stand by my previous post and still advocate not sealing vinyl safety flooring.
That is unless anyone can show me a safety flooring manufacturer  that says it's OK 

As long as your happy don't worry about it and do what works for you!  There are dozens of Porcelain manufacturers that insist their tiles don't need sealing but not one of them has ever proved it!