[JandS]

So which encap product wins..

Revive it seems quite expensive considering dilution rates.

Surround is mid range price wise @ 36p - 57p per rtu litre.

New Dynamal works out @ 40p per rtu litre at it's strongest dilution, dropping to 20p.

Release it DS2 works out the cheapest @ 30p per rtu litre assuming they are 4L containers on the site.

But which is the best,

[*Hector*]

environ 

[JandS]

Who does environ??

[*Hector*]

Jamie and amtech

[stuart_clark]

Ds2 unless its covered in protein stains then I would use Hydrox

[dan paton]

or buy the cheapest and add soluboost/energiser etc 

[Simon Gerrard]

I've tried most of the above except Environ, so what makes it better?

Simon

[Len Gribble]

I will let you know what I have used Tuesday as I know the last carpet cleaner used Seldon strongarm on it!

[*Hector*]

I've tried most of the above except Environ, so what makes it better?

Simon

because I use it.... 

[elliott cleaning]

I don't understand any carpet cleaner who has to argue the toss as to what his cleaning solutions cost. Yes, we're all in it to maximise profits - but if you have to waste time worrying about the cost of these then you are definitely underpricing your services by a substantial amount

[JandS]

You don't understand.....why pay 60p per litre of ready to use when the same stuff with a different name can be bought at 30p per litre of ready to use.
Did a job with another guy on here and we went through 4 containers of Dynamal at a cost of £120...if a similar product can be bought that does exactly the same job at half the dilution rate why not save £60.
A few big jobs at that rate is a massive saving...wasn't arguing the toss just asking what works best...whatever it's price I'll use it but have only used one so far.

[elliott cleaning]

Ok, JandS - fair enough.  Can I just ask you what percentage of your sales price do you factor in for cleaning solutions

[JandS]

For domestics I don't bother as to do a 3 bed semi, say 4 - 5 litres of pre spray, comes to less than a pound.
Isn't worth factoring in, for a single room less than 20p.
For commercial with encap work on one litre of ready to use per 10sq m and I reckon that I'm just about on the right side of the estimate with that.

[William Sharpe]

Remember for each pound saved in costs per job over a year = Free flight costs to your favourite sunny destination

[stuart_clark]

I cleaned a medium sized Specsavers store last night with rotabrite 2 Dynamal and releaseit hydrox
there was nothing between them as far as cleaning was concearned but the Dynamol did smell a lot better than the other two

The Chemspec Rotabrite 2 was by far the cheapest and gave same results


Stuart

[Jamie Pearson]

One of the main differences between them all is the quantity of soil they can successfully hold and the appearance retention between visits.

So for a one off clean you want the one that can most successfully clean the carpet (obviously) by that I mean best match to the soil load.You may also want to elect for one with higher surfactants or peroxide as mentioned for organic soils. Some products can be boosted with per carbonate but IMO don't clean as well for an initial clean on organic soiling but can help on maintenance when you have organics and want a level of residual protection.  If its a maintenance contract you ideally want one with protector in it (after the initial clean) so that you can keep up appearance and clean faster each visit to increase your productivity. I have seen 20% labour reduction on one of our sites by changing the product and pads used.

Environ will be the cheapest if you can get away with its 1:128 dilution on a site with clean carpets getting preventative maintenance and use bonnets to absorb some of the soil but it doesn't contain a protector to coat/repair the fibres and the reality is its on.y really in house users that can get away with that level of dilution with a good program of vacuuming and cleaning.

I have a couple of products I am trialling at the moment for the budget end of the market. A few weeks before I make a decision as I need to wait until the next scheduled visit to see how well it compares on a live site to those already available.

They clean well so may be good for one offs. I just need to see how well they look and clean up the next visit to decide if they are suitable for ongoing maintenance.

[JandS]

Well after cleaning several "already clean" 3 piece suites and obtaining light grey extracted water decided to try encap out on next "already clean" 3 piece.
Did 2 yesterday in same private residential care homes for 2 sisters in there.
They were pristine so I thought what's the point of lugging extractor etc up here let's try Dynamaling them.
Pointed out to ladies that they were in a very good condition already so results would be limited but no worries they still wanted them "freshening up"
Quick vac even though they didn't really need it, sprayed, agitated and towelled off  and they did look brighter but the thing that bought them was the fact that they "smell lovely".....they were over the moon even though there wasn't a lot of difference before and after.
And it knocked about 45 minutes off the job.
So there really is a place for this type of cleaning.....the first one was dry by the time I had done the second so another plus for the customer.
Reckon about 35% of upholstery I do falls into the "doesn't really need cleaning" category.