[andrew chrysler]

Andrew, I have just bought one, brand new 2 liters diesel for £8850-00.

Arthur, that's as cheap as the van version (till you reclaim the vat) and the residuals are bound to be much better.

I think it is big enough for porty

Fold the seats down and no problem at all... you could hide a whole family of asylum seekers under the booze and fAgs on the way back from France... it's like the sides are made of elastic!

no offence intended to anyone.... my family came from east germany 3 generations ago, and just in time too!

[andrew chrysler]

I have found to my cost that using pasanger carying vehicles even as a general runabout is a shore way to get scratched bumpers and stained upolstery.

Paul, I agree completely. Carrying goods is a sure way to guarantee wear and tear to any vehicle.

However, my points are that

1)you will get back much more money when you sell a 5 year old, high mileage car, even with scratched bumpers and stained upholstery (and we can clean upholstery, can't we?) than when you sell a 5 year old, high mileage van, with equally scratched bumpers and tatty interior

2)staff will prefer a car to a van, as they can use it at weekends with the family

3)if you are buying second hand, a 3 year old car is usually much better looked after than a 3 year old van

4)the car version has nicer seats, electric windows, tinted glass, does not use any more fuel, is often cheaper to insure, and comes in a much wider range of colours

No good for a truck mount though 

[andrew chrysler]

Just bought the first of the Multispaces

79,000 miles on a Y, silver, perfect condition, under £3000, and insurance is no more than the vans. Drives like a dream, much better sound insulation than the van versions.

If I get 3 years use and throw it away then it's good value; if I sell it for just what I have spent in those 3 years on repairs then I have paid less than £20 a week.

Bargain!

Just off to look at an X reg with 39,000 miles for £3200, vivid metallic green. If it's as good as the dealer says, I'm having it.

[andrew chrysler]

By the way..... don't bother paying loads more for a diesel..... get an LPG conversion on a cheap petrol one if you are doing immense mileage!

If you aren't going all over the country, have a petrol one. Your hands stay cleaner, you don't get spilt diesel on your shoes (tread that in to a customer's home and she will want her carpets cleaned for free!

Diesel, cheap, dirty, smelly stuff

Petrol, nice but pricey

LPG cheaper, cleaner stuff

Electric, cheapest, cleanest, no road tax and no congestion charge! If you clean carpets in London, get an electric Berlingo!

They are as rare as rocking horse manure, but worth the search.

[the red carpet]

Andrew have you tried getting a portable in and out of a mpv yet?
The reason i ask the machine i use is a extracta and i tried getting it in a car once when my van broke down and nearly broke my back.

I use a fiesta courier and all you do is tilt the machine back on its rear wheels get the front wheels to sit up on the van and push it in no problem at all. I wouldnt want to try lifting a portable on my own or trie anything like that with nice colour coded bumpers.

I also see your courier had more repairs than all the rest of your fleet mine has been none stop, iv now had wheel nuts, rear lock, rear window ruber, water pump, water hose, clutch, complete exhaust, brake pads and more, and now the power steering fluids leaking and its due new cam belt and service, and its starting to rust.

Easy to load not bad to drive and quite spacious but piece of $hitt

[AJCleaningServices]

Red,

CFR is different.. take a look at the photo on the bottom of this page.

Regards,

Arthur

[the red carpet]

So is extracta if you belive everything you see and read take a look at the photo on this page www.extracta.co.uk/busopps.htm
trust me this is not possible on a daily basis on your own. Not without ruining 1. your back or 2.your car

[AJCleaningServices]

I love CFR for two reasons:

1 It uses recycled water

2 It has the whiles on the top and on the bottom what makes it REALY EASY to load and re-load it into/from a van or a car like Berlingo, which I have just bought.

Red, by the way, may I ask you how much water you recover?

Regards,

Arthur

[the red carpet]

Just checked both sites and the cfr is actually heavier than the extracta,
Arthur have you brought the cfr yet? as i saw on a recent post you say you havent actually cleaned a carpet yet.

I have no experience of cfr or berlingos. but from my experience of extracta machine, ford courier van and car (golf) i wouldnt try it not on a daily basis.

With regards to water it depends on fabric a average if i put 5 bucketts in i guess i get about 3 out

[AJCleaningServices]

Red, (dunno your name)

I visited carpex and have spoken to Bosh, who has got CFR.  I am going to Nottingham in April for a training and will see and try CFR.

As you say you recover 3 bucket out of 5 used it makes about 60% recovering,  CFR recovers about 80-85% I was told.  The better recovery the shorter drying times, you know that.  This is not all. 

Because recovery rate is about 80% CFR can work at 400 PSI, what about Extracta?

Regards,

Arthur

[the red carpet]

Hi Arthur
I would say that as a average but to be honest i'm not sure it may be more its not somthing i have paid a lot of attention to
and a lot will depend on fabric and the condition for example if you have to keep going over a area the first time you clean your ingecting and extracting from a dry fabric the second time the fabric will allready be saturated so i wouldnt expect the same recovery.
You have different carpet types and diffferent thickness of pile so recovery will vary.

Its only through cleaning that you will understand these differences, the cfr may well be better
the reason that i would not be to sure of the cfr is that after cleaning with my machine i am not only left with dirty water in my recovery tank but big lumps of carpet fibres pet hair etc that you pull out by the handfull.

What happens to these with cfr?

Daniel

[AJCleaningServices]

Daniel,

As far as I was told you drain the dirty water (into toilet I guess) and then you clean the filters.  I think Peter (carpetclean) mentioned that it takes about 10 minute or so..

Regards,

Arthur

[tomh]

red !
been looking at this post & what a wicked idea berlingo mpv for carpet cleaners right price right image i will be looking into trading in my vectra sri instead of useing my luton van to start up there are ramps available think soulitions do 1 if you look in the buy & sell bit the eclipes thats for sale is useing same 1 i got with my advantage !
with regard to water recovery recon mine recover's i recon 80%
most custards dont know about drying times arthur so thats something else you'll have to sell to them could be confusing to slag someone else's system off which is so simlar to 1 your thinking of getting
tom

[AJCleaningServices]

Tom,
What machine and number of PSI do you use?
Regards,
Arthur

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I am not slagging any systems just trying to find the best option for me from those that are on today's market

[Martin S]

the reason that i would not be to sure of the cfr is that after cleaning with my machine i am not only left with dirty water in my recovery tank but big lumps of carpet fibres pet hair etc that you pull out by the handfull.

What happens to these with cfr?

Daniel

This gets trapped by the very first filter in the system.  It doesn't even get into the water tank.  You just lift the lid and pull the gunk out.  Easy.   

[tomh]

hi Arthur
i got the alltec advantage which i got 2nd hand with 250 hour use 50 ft hoses sprayers both hand tools chemicals brushes the lot for £1250 also got a tm4 (host) type machine for £150 as will be useing micro splitter as so  user friendly 135 psi on these which is way below crf & many other machines but does the job for me
Tom