[Big dee]

Think about it for a moment, a man (woman) that has traveled halfway around the world, risked their life to get here....... to collect dole? Come on does that make sense? These people in the main are get up and doers, much like ourselves, (on this forum) they're not waiting for fate to deal them a fair hand, they're doing something about it. Britain, indeed any forward looking country, needs people like  them.

There are rogue immigrants we all know that, but just like the coffee drinking, complaining, lazy dole living Brits, they represent a very small number of total.
Most come here to build a better life for their families and themselves in doing so they also benefit the country.

The rhetoric, that I hear today is much that I imagine I would have heard in 1920s Germany about the Jews. We know where that led.

We are being fed a lot of BS from the press, the BBC included. A few days ago, there was a report on the Today program, that TB is on the rise, mainly it seems because of the way we use antibiotics. However John Humphrey (who I have large amount of respect for), started the item with, and I paraphrase "TB is  on the rise because of immigration..........some believe" The report had nothing to do with immigration, but his editors had put a link there.
 

[Carpet Dawg]

Think about it for a moment, a man (woman) that has traveled halfway around the world, risked their life to get here....... to collect dole?

Of course (and all the other benefits to send home). But you are clearly a liberal, doo gooder that cant see the wood for the trees.

You say that we are fed BS by the press, but who's to say that YOU are not fed BS? So all the national and international news agency and official police reports are all taking rubbish? all of them? all of the time?

Yes, mass migration from crime ridden country's like Albania, Romania, Hungry etc.. yes bring it on.

p.s. and this is coming from a son of immigrants both of which have never claimed a penny in benefits and employ Scottish workers.

[Big dee]

Of course everything that we read in the press is true. And Police statistics.......... you really want to go there?

Your last comment blowed your previous rant out of the water, unless you believe your parents are the exception. That being the case then keep all immigrants out, but remember there are no exceptions, not even your parents.

   

[Carpet Dawg]

Of course everything that we read in the press is true. And Police statistics.......... you really want to go there?

Your last comment blowed your previous rant out of the water, unless you believe your parents are the exception. That being the case then keep all immigrants out, but remember there are no exceptions, not even your parents.

   

You'll find that your the rant merchant that's why I had to comment.

So everything that's reported is a lie then? So that the population will resent immigrants? cool cool, I'll take your word for it.

I actually know someone that works in police records and she'd enlighten you about the volume and seriousness of crimes that eastern Europeans commit on daily basis here in Edinburgh and the surrounding areas And we are a very small, relatively peacefully city. Imagine Manchester, Birmingham, London etc

Here is something to ponder over Dee https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrcs-most-wanted-gallery-of-tax-fugitives-published-as-another-caught. I counted eight Anglo Saxon faces there out of 33. But that's another government cover up isn't it. 

As for my last comment. Certain country's are more developed than others. 

[Big dee]

I thought that Scotland was a Celt domain, so why are you worried about Anglo Saxon faces? Oh sorry you meant WHITE faces. Wipe the mud off your knuckles as you look around at the modern world. Most countries now have a mx of races.
It seems to me you have the choice to leave the EU in September, but then the first thing old Alex wants to do is secure membership of the EU for Scotland, more dark faces I'm afraid. 

[Carpet Dawg]

Yes, multiculturalism does work doesn't it.  Take a look at south Africa, or North America or Israel and Palestine etc etc

Even here in Britain, a large part of minority cultures alienate themselves in there own communities and have no intention changing in the slightest. Of course, that's our fault.

Actually I'm not for independence (we would be stupid to go down that road) and I'm all up for leaving the EU.     

See Australia has a fantastic policy on who can come in to their country and who cant. Does it make them racist? Does it make them cavemen?

[Big dee]

South Africa, Israel and North America, think about who are the indigenous population. Most of the issues in those countries came after they were invaded by europeans. As for Australians, take a close look at their treatment of Aborigines and tell me if you feel they're racist. 
You may also find that  most of the recent immigrants here, keep themselves to themselves, so that they avoid confrontation with people such as yourself.
Come on, close the Mail and open your mind.

[Carpet Dawg]

oh well lets open up the flood gates then?

The way you are talking you sound like a limp politician that has no backbone either that or you just love the fact that this country is going down the pooehole year on year?

Yes, lets get bent over, work harder to pay ever inflating taxes to support an ever growing population of immigrants. It doesn't matter that my future children will be in a class room of over 50 pupils (wonderful education that'll be) or the ever increasing waiting lists to visit a GP etc etc

"Australians, take a close look at their treatment of Aborigines and tell me if you feel they're racist."  Excellent, another example of multiculturalism not working  ha ha

[BDCS]

 

"In Russia live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia , to work and eat in Russia , should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim's then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia , and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We had better learn from the suicides of America , England , Holland and France , if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia . The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims. When this honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.

 

 

 

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

[Big dee]

Ok, I've separated your rant from your fears. Here are the fears that you expressed.

"Yes, lets get bent over, work harder to pay ever inflating taxes to support an ever growing population of immigrants. It doesn't matter that my future children will be in a class room of over 50 pupils (wonderful education that'll be) or the ever increasing waiting lists to visit a GP etc etc"

So lets look at them, paying more taxes to support a growing population. Well if its growing then like any business there will be more income. Think of it as Tesco vs Mr Patels corner shop. (I know, but Mr Jones sold it to him) Tesco has more customers, therefore for a number of reasons, that comes from that, they are able to charge each customer less per item, even though their overheads, are much higher than poor old Mr Patel. Same with government income. More workers, therefore more revenue. In
theory less taxes. If not then you ask your limp politian, why they haven't reduced them.

The future of you kids and their large classrooms. More taxes again allows more schools to be built. Higher population, means that there will be more available teachers. More diverse culture means your child will have a better understanding and appreciation of others.  Which as we can see would be a major asset to their current gene pool.

GP's, well when you next go to the surgery, take a moment to look around. The chances are at least one of the doctors are from Asia or Africa. The direct result of the multiculturalism that you fear, is there waiting to help you.

While we're on about self interest, of immigration. More people equals more homes, equals more windows, equals more business, equals more money, equals you can afford to IMMIGRATE if you don't like it. WIN, WIN, WIN.

You wont read any of that in the Daily Mail or police statistics. Take the prejudice, from your fears then examine your fears. However if racism, is your only motivation, then non of the above will matters.

[BDCS]

Your argument is based on the fact they may work but they may not and therefore they do not give anything and take anything the state is stupid enough to give them. Forget the racism thing for a minute - THE SYSTEM IS WRONG THAT ALLOWS THIS TO HAPPEN. All the time we have British citizens on the dole why should there be any need  for immigrant workers ? Again before you start on about how hard working the immigrants are, they are not all this way and the system is at fault. Areas of Dover and Margate are full of immigrants claiming, thieving, drug dealing and most of the time stand out on the street drinking and smoking. take off the blinkers and look whats happening. The system allows this 

[Big dee]

I've not been to Dover for a number of years, so I can't comment on the situation there. I would imagine that things will be more polarised there as it is the first port of entry.
However, as I've said before and has been proven for centuries, immigrants do so to improve their lot. They're self motivated, hard working, risk taking individuals, that other countries need, and their own countries can ill-afford to loose. It is inevitable that you will get free loaders, but they are very much in the minority of this group of people, as it takes effort and courage to travel to a new country leaving the comfort of what you know behind. By nature free loaders are trying to get something without effort, therefore they stay at home as its too much like hard work to make the move.

Come on we all know people that sit there complaining about there lot and telling us how lucky we are. We wonder why they don't get off their arse, knock a few doors a build a round the way that we have. 

[eduardo]

Hi ,

Just read all the threads which followed your original question for advice and help and I can say the following(putting social and political issues aside):

I currently manage and operate a very successful cleaning & property services business and around9-10 years ago I asked this similar question.In general the most important thing to remember is to provide a professional, reliable and quality service.A service that you would expect as if you were the client.

End of tenancy cleans(EOT) requires adequate time, manpower and professional equipment and detergents in order to achieve consistent high level results, which will enable you to grow your business.

As a starting point you must follow this Golden Rule:

-TOP TO BOTTOM, LEFT TO RIGHT

This basically means you must clean each room in that fashion, because if you don't then you will miss out something and that will spoil the end result.Be thorough and almost military in the way you check and re check the house/flat.

If you are working on your own it could vary considerably how long it takes, but if you have staff then the following may apply:

1bed property:2-3hrs /£120-150
2 bed property:2-4hrs/£160-200
3 bed property:3-4hrs/£240-300
4 bed property: 4-5hrs/£300-350

The above does not incl the shampoo of carpets.It depends on how many staff are working in the property.

If you are to shampoo carpets then charge between £20-45/room depending on size.I use a Prochem Steempro HWE system and it has been the best bit of kit i bought and payed for itself in a couple of months.

As for hourly rates they could be between £12-17/hr/person.

Hope this helps.Stay professional, reliable and learn as much as you can by going on courses or viewing videos on YouTube etc.Do not worry about the competition, as previously mentioned, as bad competiton does not last long and you will stand out as a Professional!

Good luck.

[Carpet Dawg]

Eduardo

Just seen your post.

Interesting what your saying but question.

You say you charge  between £12 - £17 an hour. You said it takes you 2 - 4 hours to clean a 2 bed carpet (for example), but you charge £120 - £150. But £17 x 4 is £68.

Is the rest carpet cleaning? or do you charge extra for windows, ovens etc?

[eduardo]

Hi,

The hourly rate is only applicable when clients ask for such a rate.
The other cost are approx cost for a whole job incl ovens, windows etc.
Finally carpets are extra.
At the end of the day you have to go with the flow and see what sort of reaction you get from your prospective client.The key is to know your operating cost and as long as you cover that then the rest is Profit!!!

Cheers,
Eduardo