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jk999

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amfor 4021 membranes
« on: January 04, 2014, 11:41:19 am »
Anyone use these membranes if so are they any good cheers kev

jk999

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 01:03:58 pm »
 ??? ??? ???anyone

Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 11:49:13 pm »
I have an Amfor 4040 low pressure membrane bought from Vyair to replace an HF5, comparable in quality and production, very happy with it a year on.



dave0123

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 12:15:38 am »
i have a 4021 hf5 membrane what do you want to know?

It produces me 100 litres an hour brings my tds down from 390 to 6/7
Dave.

jk999

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 12:41:21 am »
Been asking on here for a couple off weeks now about which is best 4040 or 4021 ro and not many replies so I keep looking but i havent got a clue what im looking for just wanted to know what  the amfors were like , cheers kev

dave0123

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 12:43:38 am »
http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Reverse_osmosis_kits.html

theres some good kits here, dont no about the amfor tho
Dave.

jk999

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 01:01:34 am »
Cheers bud

Spruce

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 07:32:22 am »
Amfor are an American company. They say their membranes are made in the USA, but they own another chinese company that manufacturers membranes. So you need to draw your own conclusions.

I once heard it said about a totally different product that the box was made in the USA and the contents were manufactured in China. The box could legally say "made in USA" as it was.

At one time it was a recognised fact that American made membranes were far superior to anything manufactured in Asia, but nowdays, with more and more company's outsourcing from China, you are never sure where the product originates from.

Made in EU usually also covers items manufactured in Poland, Hungry, etc.

If it works and it gets a good thumbs up from other users, then that's all you can go on.

I purchased my 4040 in Sept 2012. I have no idea what the name of the membrane manufacturer was until the time comes to replace it. I won't be surprised if the majority are like me. I bought mine from GAPS and it performs well.

The trouble with membrane performance is that the figures they quote are under ideal conditions - pressure and water temperature. As we can never replicate that then we are generally at the manufacturers mercy when it comes to issues we may have.
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jk999

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 09:36:02 am »
 Spruce how often do you change filter /filters and your resin and whats your tds reading when you change resin cheers kev

Spruce

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 11:41:34 am »
Spruce how often do you change filter /filters and your resin and whats your tds reading when you change resin cheers kev

Our tap tds ranges from 90 to 125 ppm. I have an HF5 membrane purchased from GAPS as my water pressure is around 40psi. The r/o gets the water down to between 1 and 2 (mostly 2) with a ratio of waste to pure at around 45% pure to 55% waste. I have an inline TDS meter and tweek it after each flush. I do have a di vessel between my r/o and IBC tank. At a tds of 2 I haven't changed resin since the first fill. Water is still at 000 although the vessel did need a shake a couple of months back.

Filters need to be changed every 3 months as the sediment filter gets dirty very quickly. I have a long life chlorine block 20" filter from Osmotics which needs to be changed now. Thanks for reminding me.

I have a new Fibredyne chlorine block from Gardiners to go in, but he now no longer supplies this one due to flow issues with some users. This one is supposed to be good for 115,00 litres of water. How do you put a time on that amount? On my water useage and r/o ratio that should get me about 50,000 litres of pure or around 25 weeks. I expect on 40 psi I'm going to be one of them and will soon be replacing it with the latest one Alex sells.

( I got a shock when installing this 4040 when I found that the GAC chlorine filters I was using with my previous r/o were only good 2500 US gallons, meaning that the filters needed to be changed every 2 weeks. That's the 20" one.)

I was stalling the change tbh as Alex gardiner is in the process of testing a water meter. This is something I need (we probably all need) as generally I don't have a clue how many litres the r/o filters have processed. As filter change should be related to water processed rather than timed intervals, a decent digital water meter that can be reset is next on the purchase list.

I need to ask Alex when he expects them to be available.

I see Vyair do a meter but will wait for Alex to complete his 'field' tests.

I changed the prefilters on my 450GPD RpMan type filter every 3 months (on average) and the membranes lasted nearly 7 years, so as we don't use much more water my guess is that is about right for us.

With the new 4040 though, the membrane isn't cheap, so failure to change the cheaper chlorine block on time could prove tp be costly.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

jk999

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 04:02:29 pm »
Cheers spruce

Avo

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2014, 08:23:21 am »
i have a 4021 hf5 membrane what do you want to know?

It produces me 100 litres an hour brings my tds down from 390 to 6/7
holy s***  I've bought a new system 3 months ago with 4040 but only get 30tds from 350 do all 40" membranes produce low readings like this

andyM

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Re: amfor 4021 membranes
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 08:37:49 am »
i have a 4021 hf5 membrane what do you want to know?

It produces me 100 litres an hour brings my tds down from 390 to 6/7
holy s***  I've bought a new system 3 months ago with 4040 but only get 30tds from 350 do all 40" membranes produce low readings like this

Could it be down to pressure?
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