[AuRavelling79]

>John

How long were you a trad. window cleaner for?

[home6442]

>John

How long were you a trad. window cleaner for?

Gold,
I never was a trad window cleaner I started WFP and had to do more and more trad cleaning as I have a
horrendous amount of problem openers on my round.
They leak like mad down on to the glass below and leave runs.
All new upvc frames so will only get worse as they age.
You name it I have tried it fast cleaning slow cleaning, cleaning all the openers first and going back to do the glass
underneath.
Nothing as bad as being packed up only to see water leaking out of a frame onto the glass below an opener.
I also work in a very saturated area so if my work isn't perfect there are 10 guys ready to take it.
So for me wfp hasn't been this wonderful money maker that some guys on here have found.
I know for a fact that this problem occurs a lot more than some on here would like to let on.
Don't get me wrong if it wasn't for wfp I would have never got into this business and I still make a good
living doing a job I enjoy with all the perks of being self employed.

[keyser soze]

I'm really nuts; I trad the tops and wfp the bottoms.

lol

[H20cleaning]

>John

How long were you a trad. window cleaner for?

Gold,
I never was a trad window cleaner I started WFP and had to do more and more trad cleaning as I have a
horrendous amount of problem openers on my round.
They leak like mad down on to the glass below and leave runs.
All new upvc frames so will only get worse as they age.
You name it I have tried it fast cleaning slow cleaning, cleaning all the openers first and going back to do the glass
underneath.
Nothing as bad as being packed up only to see water leaking out of a frame onto the glass below an opener.
I also work in a very saturated area so if my work isn't perfect there are 10 guys ready to take it.
So for me wfp hasn't been this wonderful money maker that some guys on here have found.
I know for a fact that this problem occurs a lot more than some on here would like to let on.
Don't get me wrong if it wasn't for wfp I would have never got into this business and I still make a good
living doing a job I enjoy with all the perks of being self employed.

we all have this problem with certain windows leaking but after the first time I am usually aware so go careful around vents and just concentrate more on the glass then if its a lower windows clean the frames with a  cloth, and if its an upstairs window unfortunately the frames don't get much of a wash.

[Nick_Thompson]

John

Before leaving any window with an opener that I have just cleaned, I always include a procedure just prior to, or whilst in the process of, dealing with the pain of glass beneath, that I have found completely eliminates the problem of tardy water runs from those potentially problematic crannies.

I simply press the brush onto the glass below the opener; angling it to allow a few bristles to encroach that space where the water droplets have, invariably, accumulated and with one or two passes with the brush disrupt the surface tension of those droplets procuring their liberation.

[home6442]

Thanks for the reply Nick. I do the same with the droplets below the opener.
When I talk about a problem opener I mean an opener frame that fills up with water and slowly leaks
out through the drain hole below.
The water gets contaminated with the dirt gathered in the hollow of the frame so its like dirty water running
onto the glass below.
Unfortunately the guys who designed the window frames didn't have the intelligence to put the drain holes
at the outer end of the frame so then the water wouldn't run onto the glass.
If you have a frame like this there is nothing you can do but trad it.
I never put water above vents.
I think because of my previous comments Gold thought I was a long term trad guy who just didn't like
wfp as a way of cleaning and that was why he asked me this question.
I believe that if I had been a trad guy with a full round and hadn't the time to spot this problem then wfp
could have damaged my business as I am sure it has done with a lot that don't post on here.
I just want to make sure that guys don't listen to the get rich quick stories on here and are careful when
converting to wfp, do it for your safety and anything else is a bonus.

[Nick_Thompson]

John

with these offending openers you've described, does the problem of contaminated water dripping from holes in the frame long after you have finished the clean still occur if you leave off from wetting the top of the frame at all?

If it doesn't, then I'd tackle the top frame of any inaccessible window that behaved in such a manner by first draping a microfiber cloth over the end my brush (after clearing the bristles of any excess water with a swipe of my hand) and just use the overhanging material to wipe that part of the frame clean.

Am I stating the obvious?

[Jack Harris]

and then you lose an hour going home and filling up etc, when i worked with my brother he was on pole and i was trading the bottoms,opening gates, making sure the hose wasnt getting caught etc we was averaging around £400 a day

An hour?! Only if you're filling your van tank from static using a thimble.
400l will transfer in 10 minutes with a half decent pump
If he's running 400l he probably isn't very far from home so travel will be negligible.

His work was about 15 miles from home mate, it worked ok while we had to do it like that but was much better when he got a 2man system